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Post by George D on Sept 28, 2015 0:40:51 GMT
Apparently-see the Mondas PM link-this episode was accorded special/different treatment possibly while Phil was there? I'm not saying I would have had better results, but the first thing I would have done is see if I could get the prints out that day claiming they are BBC property and he had authorization to collect it. . If not I would have have offered the guy money to keep them safe and the promise of more once received. and an extra special bonus if Web episode 1 arrived safely:)
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 28, 2015 5:26:56 GMT
I was hoping that another country that bought The Web of Fear might have kept a copy of this story so we could get episode 3 back. This looks very bad from what I saw at broadwcast.org/ website . It seems that the print in Nigeria was previously at Hong Kong and Singapore, which would eliminate those two as possibilities for having another episode. Australia returned their copy in the 70s. New Zealand probably destroyed their print when their facility closed down in the 70s. Zambia has been searched and they have been scratched off the last. Gibraltar is the only country on the list that might be a possibility. If they sent their copy to Zambia or returned their print to the BBC in the 70s, then that's it. Damn thieves. We were so close to getting the entire story back. I am just in shock by what has been revealed in the last 36 hours.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Sept 28, 2015 5:31:15 GMT
We are getting ourselves in a bit of a flutter here ! All of the above is only WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD iIs what we are being told 100% true ! Am sure an indiana jones type book is on the back burner Just be mindful that not everything you are told is the truth
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Post by shellyharman67 on Sept 28, 2015 5:35:20 GMT
So Phil is backtracking from his story that it wasn't there in the first place. Wonder what the explanation is for misleading people in the first place? I think someone is telling porkies It was JUST NOT THERE WAS HIS FIRST STATEMENT ! I think a lot of people have been taken in by his latest UMMMM (STATEMENT ) He is telling SOME fans what they want to hear
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Post by RWels on Sept 28, 2015 6:37:48 GMT
Perhaps the Nigerians were tired of the old "deposed prince" scam and are now going to try a new one: Son of fired station manager wants to sell films his father rescued from a burning building, including medical video for fear of webs. Please send scan of both sides of your credit card...
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Post by stevehoare61 on Sept 28, 2015 6:50:24 GMT
Well,,what can one say? Its all been fascinating to read, what little was actually said. The problem we have is that we have to believe Phils story of events, simply because we dont know any differnt. One minute it simply wasnt there and then it was but got nicked by a Collector. Because of the way this whole charade has unfolded, especially over the last 2 years I really dont know what to believe. I sooooo want to believe Phil, because I truly do believe he is a huge fan, and wants these episodes back for everybody, but then we had all that bizarre behaviour a while back. He was brave attending this event, even though he hasnt really given any more information aside from this explanation, which is possibly true and if it is, then at least we know the episode exists. Its also, on the cynical side, a great way, to stop all the arguing and complaining and scrutinizing that has been going on, because now we believe someone in our midst,possible another fan,someone we may know, may have used the situation to 'get in there and snatch it from under our very noses',so now we cant argue with endless long passages of time with no information because he cant risk jeopardising future finds. One way or the other, we are no clearer where we are or when it will ever end. Sometimes I wish the whole search had been kept secret, inc the finds, and we would all be much happier in our ignorance and imagine the joy when it eventually surfaces instead of this never ending torture.
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Post by Greg H on Sept 28, 2015 7:12:41 GMT
Good grief. Is this actually a thing? Personally I am not too bothered, 5 out of 6 is just fine really - they can keep it. Whoever the architect of this situation is should probably direct their energy towards getting a girlfriend or something along those lines. Blatant wastrel.
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Post by John Green on Sept 28, 2015 9:58:16 GMT
"You see,Inspector,it became obvious to me at a very early stage that the man I was looking for-and I was sure it WAS a man-was a rather unusual individual.Why,I asked myself,had the other episodes of Web been left,as well as the missing Enemy of the Worlds? And then,just before they put me in the little grey cell,it came upon me in a flash: Why hadn't those cans,too,been taken? Because he already had them! Oui.He was a collector perfait,one who needed just this print to complete the set.My next move was obvious.I gathered every Doctor Who fan into one room,placing the remaining prints on a low table,and announced that I would turn off the lights so that episode 3 could be returned incognito...".Etc.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 28, 2015 11:55:03 GMT
And the lights came on to show an empty table in front of us........
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Post by James Anderson on Sept 28, 2015 15:39:52 GMT
The thing is we still dont know what condion the print is before it was stolen . it still needs to be restored to its full glory when its returned
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Post by George D on Sept 28, 2015 18:47:45 GMT
Ifc it was there, it was probably in the same condition of the other two
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Post by johnbarbour on Sept 28, 2015 18:55:53 GMT
Who knows? As noted above 5 out 6 for Web is still good. I remain an optimist as I wonder how many of us thought that yet more Troughton would emerge after the 1999 discovery of Tomb? I have no issue with private collectors of Dr Who acquiring any old tape that was destined for destruction provided they allow the BBC to copy any missing story so that all of us fans can share the history - but those who selfishly keep the tapes should be forced to accept Immortality a la Borusa and forced to watch endless re-runs of Eastenders... I hope that we get a nice gift someday when a collector bequeathes his or her Dr Who tapes to the public as an act of deathbed guilt - hopefully after careful storage (of the tapes).
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Sept 28, 2015 19:34:43 GMT
Good grief. Is this actually a thing? Personally I am not too bothered, 5 out of 6 is just fine really - they can keep it. I largely agree with this. If episode three does exist it would be a welcome return but in all honesty after viewing the BBC DVD I really did not feel I had missed out on anything when the story concluded. Had it been the last instalment which had been reconstructed I may have held a different view. Many of us will remember those dark days when it seemed likely we would only ever get to see episode one of this story which was a teaser for so much we thought we would never get the opportunity to watch. So yes five out of six is pretty damn good really and personally there are many other missing episodes I would prefer to see returned ahead of Web 3 which I can probably live without!
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Sept 28, 2015 22:11:39 GMT
If someone is willing to snatch up an episode in Nigeria like that, I wonder if it has happened before?
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Sept 28, 2015 23:38:56 GMT
Everyone,
As you know, I don't usually comment publicly about Phil's search. It's his story to tell, but I'm glad he has thought this the right time to tell this part of it.
I'll confirm a few things and I'm sure Phil won't mind. When I first examined 'The Web of Fear' films there were only five cans, but Phil was hopeful of securing the missing can. At the time, I didn't know the reasons why it never came back with the others, but as time went on it got more frustrating for Phil, not unreasonably as he was still trying to secure the film as late as a few months ago. I suspect the reason he is happy to talk about it now is that he has exhausted all avenues with the station involved. Phil never referred to the cans he had arranged to be sent back as 'missing episodes' to the people over there, but it was that precise phrasing the guy in the station used in an answer to Phil when he said he 'didn't know anything about these missing episodes'. Why would you say that unless you did in fact know only too well.
My own theory is that the guy took a film off the pile so he could do a bit of research precisely because someone showed an interest in these old films. He picked any old film at random. It might just as well have been Web 1 or Enemy 3. Once he'd done his research, realised what he'd got, he snaffled it away and denied all knowledge of it when further enquiries were made as to its fate. My personal belief is that the film isn't in the hands of a private collector, but still hidden, or possibly destroyed to protect the person who took it. No evidence, no crime. Whatever happened, I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon.
At the beginning of all of this, before Phil tracked the films down I told him that if he found anything, he'd be putting the films in danger. When something lies undisturbed for 40 or so years, it's safe. As soon as you change its circumstances, you change its fate. What happened to Web 3 is the perfect example of that fact.
This situation is why I stopped updating the Africa Progress thread.
Paul
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