Richard Develyn
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Living in hope that more missing episodes will come back to us.
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Post by Richard Develyn on Sept 27, 2015 18:06:40 GMT
Well, the discussion has ended, and from what I can glean Web 3 existed when the two stories were found but then went missing.
(I like the photo, BTW)
This puts it in a whole different ball park from the other 96 missing episodes which, as far as we know, haven't existed for over 30 years.
So there's hope - and I, for one, would really really like to see it come back.
Richard
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 27, 2015 18:44:51 GMT
From what I gather, there are two possibilities. One - There is a chance that this could be a severe case of employee incompetence. If that is the case and the film was misplaced at that station, it is destroyed because the place burned down. Two - If the episode was stolen and is in the hands of a collector, this is apparently not a person who is willing to share the episode with the millions of fans that want to see it. He is looking to keep something for himself and deprive the millions of fans that want to see it. Incompetence I can understand, but to have a selfish individual do something like this sickens me.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 27, 2015 18:51:55 GMT
Aaaagh! I think I'm going to lie down in a darkened room for a bit.
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Sept 27, 2015 19:24:57 GMT
From what I gather, there are two possibilities. One - There is a chance that this could be a severe case of employee incompetence. If that is the case and the film was misplaced at that station, it is destroyed because the place burned down. Two - If the episode was stolen and is in the hands of a collector, this is apparently not a person who is willing to share the episode with the millions of fans that want to see it. He is looking to keep something for himself and deprive the millions of fans that want to see it. Incompetence I can understand, but to have a selfish individual do something like this sickens me. I think there are other possibilities too, but I agree with what you say. Richard
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Post by David Robinson on Sept 27, 2015 19:29:46 GMT
So Phil is backtracking from his story that it wasn't there in the first place. Wonder what the explanation is for misleading people in the first place?
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Post by John Green on Sept 27, 2015 19:51:34 GMT
Finally, given this new knowledge, where does that leave the lucky finder of another episode. CW says to contact the Beeb or Restoration Team folks, but these would seem to be the ones who might POSSIBLY have acted as unwitting accessories to a thief. Do we want that to happen again? If not, what is the recommended protocol? Good question,Tom!
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Post by John Andersen on Sept 27, 2015 20:02:07 GMT
From what I gather, there are two possibilities. One - There is a chance that this could be a severe case of employee incompetence. If that is the case and the film was misplaced at that station, it is destroyed because the place burned down. Two - If the episode was stolen and is in the hands of a collector, this is apparently not a person who is willing to share the episode with the millions of fans that want to see it. He is looking to keep something for himself and deprive the millions of fans that want to see it. Incompetence I can understand, but to have a selfish individual do something like this sickens me. I think there are other possibilities too, but I agree with what you say. Richard Sure, there are other possibilities, but my blood pressure has gone up so high in the last 24 hours after hearing about this, I have not been in the right frame of mind to come up with any other possibilities. I might need a month or two before I can rationally think of other possibilities. I mean, I would like to hear other theories. They might help me cool off a little. Send me a private e-mail with other ideas. We can chat there in private.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Sept 27, 2015 20:50:20 GMT
For missing episodes we can always look to private collectors. If they are willing to share if they have any WHO.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 27, 2015 20:56:35 GMT
This fresh information breaks my heart and makes me incredibly sad.We've been so swept away by the recoveries I've forgotten what it was like to have episodes destroyed or go astray like they did in the mass purges in the 1970s and 80s.To think that this may have happened to WOF3 even in this day and age where the profile of missing Dr Who episodes are so high is absolutely gutting. It isn't enough to say it was an insignificant episode or a re-cap episode,there must have been so much actorly business in the gaps not covered by the telesnaps coupled with Douglas Camfield's adroit direction it is an absolute tragedy.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Sept 27, 2015 21:57:48 GMT
And that is why, as I said in another thread, that Who fans can be their own worst enemy. Negotiations were obviously tricky and the Omnirumour/Omnishambles only served to push up the value of any Who episodes and now indeed any other finds. Of course I hope that more episodes will turn up, but I think the task has now got a lot more difficult.
Alan
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Post by John Green on Sept 27, 2015 22:30:23 GMT
And that is why, as I said in another thread, that Who fans can be their own worst enemy. Negotiations were obviously tricky and the Omnirumour/Omnishambles only served to push up the value of any Who episodes and now indeed any other finds. Of course I hope that more episodes will turn up, but I think the task has now got a lot more difficult. Alan But on the other hand,we want people to know that they're missing. But on the other hand,have any ever been handed in as a result of all the publicity? The Underwater Menace/Galaxy Four episodes were owned by a former TV employee who didn't realise that they were missing. But on the other hand...No,wait,I'm up to three hands already!
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Sept 27, 2015 22:58:41 GMT
I mean, I would like to hear other theories. They might help me cool off a little. Send me a private e-mail with other ideas. We can chat there in private. We might as well talk on in here because my views are actually quite simple. I only consider the following two facts to be significant: 1) PM has reappeared on the fan network 2) PM has stated that Web 3 was there when he discovered the two stories Everything else that's been said so far is guesswork and strange non sequiturs, such as the burning of the relay station which someone on Planet Mondas then pointed out was irrelevant. I think there is a chance, therefore, that something will follow from this. It's only a chance, however since PM has been keeping a low profile for over a year I consider his emergence now to possibly mean something, and the fact that he's chosen to talk about Web 3 I think could also possibly mean something. I don't honestly think there's much point speculating otherwise. This isn't a time to enumerate theories. There isn't enough to go on. This is just a time to wait and see and, who knows, expect the unexpected. (whatever that means :-)) Richard
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Post by John Green on Sept 27, 2015 23:08:54 GMT
Yeah,someone seems to have gotten muddled about what he said; the place burnt down a couple of years later,which feels less like disposing of the evidence.
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Post by simonashby on Sept 28, 2015 0:03:30 GMT
So Phil is backtracking from his story that it wasn't there in the first place. Wonder what the explanation is for misleading people in the first place? To temper speculation during a particularly sensitive time? Many fans feel they are owed something (wrongly so), some take that to near on obsessive lenghts. People ringing stations, sending emails etc... - Some people did that anyway! Imagine the potential witch hunt! Not exactly what you need.
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Post by Paul McDermott on Sept 28, 2015 0:11:00 GMT
Needless to say, I too have found all this a bit interesting! Only just watched Web again last week, so this information about the absence of ep 3 from the great haul that came back from Nigeria is appreciated. Yes, it's sad. And yes, there's still a chance ep 3 and others from the lost Hartnell and Troughton batch may come back, some day. Beyond this, I don't think we're much further along in reliably knowing how well things are going - but if I'm mistaken, I'll be glad of more news on the subject. Personally, I don't mind not having a fine grained insight into the process or the current state of play re leads and possible recoveries. Yes, I think it's terribly important that lost material is found. Yes, I think this is something that should be done in a cautious, methodical fashion - archaeology rather than looting. Yes, I think personalities matter a whole lot less than results. But I'm not really in any way going to be able to play a part in the hunt, aside from on occasion helping the worthy Brad Phipps with his rumour watch, a little bit ago! Bottom line, I'd rather the people best placed and able to do the hunt without hindrance from well-meaning or self-serving others just got left alone to get on with it, whether they recover lost Who eps, other missing material, or merely give us a better basis to judge the odds of recoveries in the future. Personally, I think there are more important things than lost film prints. Don't misunderstand, I want them found like most of us. I'll be glad to buy them, to show support with my wallet, and cheer the efforts and the successes too, such as they come to pass. I appreciate the labours of those who restore and make them available to be enjoyed, into the future. But I don't feel I'm owed anything from those doing any of it, though perhaps there are some who feel differently for reasons that may not be entirely satisfactory for the venture. I'm reminded a bit of the question that Kazim, leader of the Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword, asks Indiana Jones: Do you seek the cup of Christ for His glory, or for yours? If anything more turns up, I'll be hitting Buy the moment it appears in iTunes - just like most of us did, last time. But until then, I'll take my time and enjoy what we have - and there's a lot to be happy with!
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