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Post by shellyharman67 on Aug 17, 2015 13:04:35 GMT
I guess its like waiting for a bus ! Nothing for ages Then a few together
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Post by John Green on Aug 17, 2015 16:24:38 GMT
Hi all, I'm new here so be nice Surely if the twenty years between TOTC and Airlock/UM had been padded out with duplicates its only a matter of time before lost episodes turn up? I'm pretty sure that I got jumped on for ignoring logic in one of my first posts.But....if I've pulled a dozen socks out of a drawer,and they're all orange,doesn't that increase the chances that the next one will be green? Mind you,we have no way of knowing how many-if any-more socks are in the drawer,nor what colours they may be.I think that that means that we can't know unknowns. Lostshows suggest that there are about 40,000 TV shows missing from the archives.If you find only one missing show after 10 years' searching,and it's a Doctor Who,you've been both lucky and unlucky.If you repeat the process a half-dozen times,you could power an improbability-drive. "Logic"? No,I've never formally studied it,as such.(As Handcock might have said). But the Snark is at hand, let me tell you again! 'Tis your glorious duty to seek it! "To seek it with thimbles, to seek it with care; To pursue it with forks and hope; To threaten its life with a railway-share; To charm it with smiles and soap! "For the Snark's a peculiar creature, that won't Be caught in a commonplace way. Do all that you know, and try all that you don't: Not a chance must be wasted to-day!
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
Without much fear of contradiction I think that all of us hope that there are more out there. After the initial efforts in the late 70s/80s, for which the efforts of Ian Levene must be recognised, which filled in a lot of gaps I think that the only really systematic search has been Philip Morris' - and that certainly paid dividends There may still be archives - sorry, film stores ! - in out of the way places that (a) haven't been checked and (b) contain missing episodes, but the number of these, even (a), must now be very small. Some mysteries still remain, what happened to Web3 and the other Season 5 episodes in Nigeria ? I think we've just got to hope that there are some more odd episodes out there in private collections and that they don't get thrown into a skip as "old fashioned" when the collector regenerates. A saving grace nowadays is things like Ebay which means that someone clearing the loft of a deceased relative's house might well advertise anything they find.
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Post by Richard Marple on Aug 17, 2015 18:01:07 GMT
The 2 episodes that turned up in a collection were interesting that the collector had no idea they were even missing not being a Dr Who fan.
I did wonder if the odd episode survives in a private collection owned by someone unaware they have rare material.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 17, 2015 21:00:04 GMT
But what is the actual rate of missing episode retrieval ie from being found,restored,copyright cleared to it actually being announced? We were reading about the recovery of WOF years before the 2013 announcement. Was that a co-incidental hoax that became an actual recovery or had it been languishing in some storage facility waiting for 'the wind to blow in the right direction '?The frightening thing is that rumours in Dr Who fandom do have a grain of truth in them.So what are we to really believe about the time-line of episode recovery?
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2015 22:58:53 GMT
The 2 episodes that turned up in a collection were interesting that the collector had no idea they were even missing not being a Dr Who fan. I did wonder if the odd episode survives in a private collection owned by someone unaware they have rare material. Yep, that's how the UM and G4 episodes came back. A member of the RT chatting to a collector, asks if he's got any Dr Who.....
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2015 23:47:47 GMT
But what is the actual rate of missing episode retrieval ie from being found,restored,copyright cleared to it actually being announced? We were reading about the recovery of WOF years before the 2013 announcement. Was that a co-incidental hoax that became an actual recovery or had it been languishing in some storage facility waiting for 'the wind to blow in the right direction '?The frightening thing is that rumours in Dr Who fandom do have a grain of truth in them.So what are we to really believe about the time-line of episode recovery? There were very long arguments about this almost two years ago. Until Philip Morris, et al provide detailed information there is always room for speculation. However, my best interpretation of the, albeit limited, evidence is that PM actually got his hands on the cans in early 2013, possibly very late 2012, as they seem to have arrived back in the UK in Spring 2013. From the work that was required they weren't viewable until some intitial TLC had been applied, which was the stage at which assessments could start to be made. I know very little about PM but I don't believe he's the type who would risk damaging rare, possibly unique, prints and that his first instinct would be to get them into the hands of the best guys around - the RT ! - as quickly as possible. As to rumours..... Go back a few years and it was close to gospel truth that "Power" had been found/returned - years later we're still waiting. After the return of Enemy/Web there was the (in)famous omnirumour. Some/much of that was little more than Brilliant Speculation - episodes were supposed to have been shipped (literally) from Nigeria to the UK via Zambia, conveniently forgetting that Zambia isn't on the coast ! Then the "haul" varied in scope, up to every missing episode even including, I think, "Mission to the Unknown". Much of what was supposed to have been found wasn't even sold to the same place so the only way it could have been recovered was the unlikely possbility of multiple survivals in multiple locations and PM having strolled round with a big rucksack gathering up the goodies. At least one website had a resident/tame "Omnirumour Specialist" ! All sorts of dimmeries (the opposite of luminaries) were pronouncing on the situation as if it was holy writ handed down on tablets of stone. More than eighteen months later we're still waiting.... There are always rumours - and I'd suggest you look at my signature block - but they tend to be about lost "classics". Considering how brilliant the first episode of Web is - which was all we had for ages - it's not surprising that had been close to, or at, the top of many fans wish lists. I'm open to correction but I can't recall rumours about returns of The Massacre, The Savages, The Smugglers or The Highlanders. My advice is to ignore rumnours and wait until Paul Vanezis, et al make an offical announcement.
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Post by George D on Aug 18, 2015 1:13:48 GMT
I'm still happy we have enemy and web:)
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Post by Daniel Smith on Aug 18, 2015 13:02:58 GMT
I remain hopeful that at some point in the future we'll develop time travel capability and be able to go aback to retrieve all the lost videotapes, I.e. All the originals. That would explain why they were 'wiped'. - they were really nicked from the future :-)
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 22, 2015 18:14:55 GMT
I suppose when talking about recovered episodes you have to also talk about the colour Pertwees,such an important adjunct to story of recovered material.The colour recoveries were quite rapid if I remember -better colour copies of Death to the Daleks for example and the off-air NTSC recordings of Daemons,Terror etc.The entire 70-74 era was completed in less than 10 years or was it longer?
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Post by John Wall on Aug 22, 2015 22:06:00 GMT
I suppose when talking about recovered episodes you have to also talk about the colour Pertwees,such an important adjunct to story of recovered material.The colour recoveries were quite rapid if I remember -better colour copies of Death to the Daleks for example and the off-air NTSC recordings of Daemons,Terror etc.The entire 70-74 era was completed in less than 10 years or was it longer? Ian Levene, et al did quite a lot of that iirc. It's documented somewhere but quite a few colour Pertwees, in either PAL or NTSC format, came back from various overseas broadcasters in the early 80s, maybe even late 70s.
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