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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 17, 2015 7:58:09 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?t=59&v=zp3jZhHPtPEYes, it is silent, yes, it's 8mm and grainy, but....it's certainly from TOTP. So how do we identify which song it is?  ?? Or songs.... My GUESS - and it is no more than that is Can't Buy Me Love and You Can't Do That from 25/03/64. John and Paul both seem to be singing lead. The clothing worn must be at the very latest early 1964 - the Fabs ditched the collarless Cardin suits during the year, they were more worn in 1963, before TOTP was shown, but they still did wear them in 1964, even as late as October that year, but they were rarely worn and far from omnipresent. (Completists and pedants note that I am aware that the Fabs wore Cardin suits during the shooting of 'Hello Goodbye', and that George also did during the shoot for 'Ding Dong'....) The footage is so grainy it is impossible to work out what they are miming to (or even the guitar chords played), so I'm just going to hazard a guess. Although the Beatles are meant to have filmed their appearance WITH an audience, I'm not 100% convinced either way. And there are TWO songs. The footage of the second one kicks in around 1:40 on the youtube upload. Views are welcome....
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Post by williammcgregor on Jun 17, 2015 9:26:16 GMT
Hi Ray,
Great find, well done!
Your guess "Can't Buy Me Love" c/w "You Can't Do That" would make sense as that single was released on Friday the 20th March 1964 (5 days before the Wednesday 25th March 1964 Top of the Pops)
I was trying to work out which songs were on the chart behind Jimmy Savile at 1 min 40 to 1 min 41 but the footage is that grainy and it's only a split second that I can't make out any of the songs.
I'll have a look at some of my Beatles Library and see what they were up to round about that time.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 17, 2015 9:33:50 GMT
The cognoscenti on social media and groups that I am a member of on the internet seem to agree with me.
Several people seem to have spotted this at around the same time as I have - I'm making sure that it gets publicized, it doesn't really matter who was first!
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Post by John Green on Jun 17, 2015 9:42:30 GMT
It surely can't be long before someone does some dubbing on this...
Pretty good image considering that an early space-time visualizer has been used...
Well done,Ray.Nice spot.
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Post by johnpoole on Jun 17, 2015 9:43:15 GMT
In The Complete Beatles Chronicle Mark Lewisohn notes the ToTP appearance being taped without an audience at Television Centre Shepherd's Bush between 7:00 & 8:30 (including rehearsal time) on Thursday 19th March for transmission the following Wednesday the 25th (broadcast from Manchester). Earlier that day they had filmed some scenes for A Hard Day's Night, were interviewed by Peter Noble for the Light Programme's "Movie-Go-Round" (broadcast 12th April) and attended a lunch for the Variety Club of Great Britain with Harold Wilson ..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=AafxlQxXKmE |
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Post by Peter Prentice on Jun 17, 2015 9:49:05 GMT
I believe the chart corresponds with that of 26 March 1964.
Think I can just make out 'Theme for Young Lovers', 'I Think of You' and 'Let Me Go, Lover'.
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Post by Peter Prentice on Jun 17, 2015 9:58:07 GMT
On second thoughts, scrub that. Can't see 'Stay Awhile'.
Definitely from around March/April 1964 though.
Any idea of the source of the uploader's Chick Graham & The Coasters footage?
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Post by johnpoole on Jun 17, 2015 10:02:47 GMT
On second thoughts, scrub that. Can't see 'Stay Awhile'. Definitely from around March/April 1964 though. Any idea of the source of the uploader's Chick Graham & The Coasters footage? Thank Your Lucky Stars 21 March, 1964? Agreed on the songs appearing on the ToTP chart |
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Post by markjhaley on Jun 17, 2015 10:04:33 GMT
It's definitely 'Can't Buy Me Love'
McCartney's bass playing style matches, the audience dancing tempo, Savile presenting - it all fits.
A brief snippet of 'You Can't Do That' as a bonus at the end.
Apparently the youtube poster has more...
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Post by Peter Prentice on Jun 17, 2015 10:07:28 GMT
On second thoughts, scrub that. Can't see 'Stay Awhile'. Definitely from around March/April 1964 though. Any idea of the source of the uploader's Chick Graham & The Coasters footage? Thank Your Lucky Stars 21 March, 1964? Agreed on the songs appearing on the ToTP chart Yes, I thought it might be TYLS. Haven't got my Tony Rees handy to check. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 17, 2015 11:31:46 GMT
Thank Your Lucky Stars 21 March, 1964? Agreed on the songs appearing on the ToTP chart Yes, I thought it might be TYLS. Haven't got my Tony Rees handy to check. It might be. I'm somewhat less of a knowledge on Thank Your Lucky Stars and Mr Graham and his band than I am on TOTP and the Fabs.... ;P |
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Jun 17, 2015 11:33:10 GMT
For anyone trying to match the chart list shown : please remember that at that time the BBC used its own chart, calculated as an average of several published charts, rather than any of the published charts themselves. It will not match, for example, the charts used by Guinness Hit Singles (or indeed anything that I've found on t'internet).
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 17, 2015 11:36:32 GMT
For anyone trying to match the chart list shown : please remember that at that time the BBC used its own chart, calculated as an average of several published charts, rather than any of the published charts themselves. It will not match, for example, the charts used by Guinness Hit Singles (or indeed anything that I've found on t'internet). Dale is correct. That was the case for at least the first two years, if I recall. And they included EPs as well, which the BRB Singles Charts charts (as they became) had already generally kiboshed. There was, of course, a separate EP chart. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 17, 2015 12:24:57 GMT
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Post by Mike Davies on Jun 17, 2015 13:01:41 GMT
The second from bottom track on the listing on the wall is Over You by Freddie & The Dreamers, I think.
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