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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 10:00:53 GMT
On You Tube there is a colour video called A flight of Fancy that was used for stock footage for The Faceless Ones aeroplane shots.
One example at 2 minutes 55 is similar to the first telesnap of episode 4.
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Apr 10, 2015 10:55:13 GMT
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Post by Richard Bignell on Apr 10, 2015 11:48:17 GMT
Just worth mentioning what I said over on Gallifrey Base about this one.
There isn't anything to indicate that 'A Flight of Fancy' was the source of the stock footage. The footage bought in for the story was logged as coming in from Film Centre International, who also produced 'A Flight of Fancy' a year after 'The Faceless Ones' was broadcast. The sequences used in both evidently came from the same original footage of the VC10, but it would seem that the BBC accessed the original unedited material when they were putting together 'The Faceless Ones'.
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Post by darrenj on Apr 10, 2015 13:57:59 GMT
Here's a quick comparison I put together. There are probably more but this is what I've found so far. Attachments:
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Post by George D on Apr 10, 2015 14:16:07 GMT
The first shot appears to be an exact match with the telesnap.
The others, unless the exact frame is there, it's unlikely we have the exact footage although I admit we have very close
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Post by lousingh on Apr 10, 2015 16:06:20 GMT
IMHO, large tracts of that video were used in The Faceless Ones - particularly in Episode 1.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Apr 10, 2015 16:07:38 GMT
The first shot, which is the one Jonny Morris originally identified does indeed appear to be from the same shot. However, in 'A Flight of Fancy', this is broken up into three very short segments, intercut with other material. The PasB's for 'The Faceless Ones' show that they purchased much longer segments of 35mm footage, so in the actual episode, this no doubt would have been seen as a continuous sequence.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Apr 11, 2015 0:46:41 GMT
Although not the original stock footage, the few scenes one could take from Flight of Fancy could be used in a fan-made recon of episode 4.
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Post by George D on Apr 11, 2015 1:18:22 GMT
I agree that it's close enough for recon purposes.
The question remains if the original stock footage exists.
Has anything been done to track it down?
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Post by darrenj on Apr 11, 2015 13:45:12 GMT
This opens up the wider question of whether stock footage used in missing episodes might still exist somewhere. Even if the original footage no longer exists, then as we've seen here with 'A Flight of Fancy', the same footage might survive having been used in another production. This would mean tracing all the stock footage and then all the productions that ever used it, but you never know, it might turn something up.
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Post by RWels on Apr 11, 2015 20:12:56 GMT
The Time Meddler's borrowed viking footage still existed, right?
I don't want to spoil any dreams but stock footage is the inexpensive escort of the entertainment industry. Is there any value in retracing THAT?
It's an extremely poor substitute for a lost episode. It's well spotted, certainly. But if you had a personal hero who had died, then this would be the plastic cup out of which he once drunk some tea.
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Post by John Green on Apr 11, 2015 20:36:41 GMT
The Time Meddler's borrowed viking footage still existed, right? I don't want to spoil any dreams but stock footage is the inexpensive escort of the entertainment industry. Is there any value in retracing THAT? It's an extremely poor substitute for a lost episode. It's well spotted, certainly. But if you had a personal hero who had died, then this would be the plastic cup out of which he once drunk some tea. ...having previously laced it with cyanide...Now,there's a collector's item! Seriously,I'm even keen on upgrading the opening-credits,or much of them,on knackered episodes,even though they look awkward in the context of the rest of the surviving material.Why not upgrade where we can? No audio signals,albeit fake and added later,on the soundtrack? |
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Apr 11, 2015 20:46:02 GMT
The Time Meddler's borrowed viking footage still existed, right? I believe it did. When I watched the Time Meddler, the level of quality between the well preserved stock footage and the older looking Doctor Who sections were striking. |
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Post by John Green on Apr 11, 2015 21:04:54 GMT
O/T,but I'd love it if it was possible to match the woodcuts which were used to illustrate the massacre in 'The Massacre'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 15:10:01 GMT
Fantastic news!
It might not be a full episode but footage like that is just as important.
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