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Post by markdixon on Mar 11, 2019 20:34:49 GMT
Hi Ray,
I can’t say for sure that all the items on my latest list are missing. I just know that they weren’t listed on the old ITN Source website, and therefore I think it’s unlikely that they exist in broadcast quality in the ITV archives.
I made some notes when the ITN Source website was still available, and it appears that only one complete edition of ‘Granada Reports’ exists from the 1970s (27.01.75.) and there are about 30 editions in existence from the 1980s.
ITN Source also listed a number of film inserts and orphaned video clips from missing editions of ’Granada Reports’. I mentioned most of the music-related clips in my initial post.
I suspect the ITV archives probably hold some film inserts that weren’t listed on ITN Source. These possibly include the film of the Real Thing in Toxteth.
I'm fairly certain that a lot of the studio performances by bands that I’ve mentioned (such as the Salford Jets clip on YouTube) are missing from the ITV archives.
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Mar 11, 2019 21:16:48 GMT
...or even to ITV!!
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Post by garyfreeman on Mar 12, 2019 11:02:36 GMT
It has to be said, going back as early as Scene at 6.30 , The local news and music scene was covered superbly by Granada tv. I'm proud to live in Granadaland . Wish we could turn the clock back to proper regional coverage!!!!
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Post by robertreinstein on Mar 12, 2019 12:20:10 GMT
I have this on VHS (3 minutes 47 seconds): Dec 1981: Tony Wilson presented a filmed report about Beatle landmarks in Liverpool following the publication of the guide book ‘In the Footsteps of the Beatles’ (an edited version of this is on YouTube) I'm sure you can get the clip over to Kaleidoscope, Robert....!!!! Sent!
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Post by markdixon on Mar 17, 2019 9:30:10 GMT
I’d thought I’d add a few details here about the survival status of ‘What’s In’, a programme that was closely linked to ‘Granada Reports’.
‘What’s In’ was a 25-minute weekly arts show presented by Tony Wilson which began on 26th January 1981. You can probably guess from the title that it wasn’t that different from the earlier ‘What’s On’. It ran straight after ‘Granada Reports’ on Monday evenings. For some reason, the ‘TV Times’ regarded ‘What’s In’ as a strand within ‘Granada Reports’, even though it was clearly a separate programme.
I think there were 14 editions of ‘What’s In’, but only 8 still exist.
Guests interviewed by Wilson on the surviving editions included Phil Collins, Mick Fleetwood, Tommy Steele, Hazel O’Connor, Pauline Murray and Donovan.
Elvis Costello and Steve Nieve performed ‘Shot With His Own Gun’ on the show on 16 March 1981. This clip was released on a Costello compilation DVD called ‘The Right Spectacle’.
Performers on the other surviving shows included Shakin’ Stevens and a Scottish rockabilly band called the Shakin’ Pyramids.
For me, the most notable item on ‘What’s In’ was Wilson’s interview with record producer Martin Hannett (broadcast on 13 April 1981). This took place at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, during Hannett's mixing session for 'The Visitor' by Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls. The clip has been used in a few documentaries.
Here’s a list from TV Brain of the missing ‘What’s In’ episodes:
02.02.1981 Episode No. 2 (missing)
09.02.1981 Episode No. 3 (missing)
23.02.1981 Episode No. 5 (missing)
23.03.1981 Episode No. 9 (missing)
20.04.1981 Episode No. 13 (missing)
27.04.1981 Episode No. 14 (missing)
I don’t know the names of any of the guests from these missing editions.
Later in 1981, 'What’s In' became a 15-minute segment within ‘Granada Reports’ and it lasted until early 1983.
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Post by markdixon on Apr 28, 2019 10:14:23 GMT
Here are a few snippets of information that I’ve found about (presumed) missing editions of ‘Granada Reports’.
Northern Soul
According to an issue of ‘Blues and Soul’ magazine from 1975, Anna Ford and Trevor Hyett were going to film a piece at the Wigan Casino about the Northern Soul scene for ‘Granada Reports’. I don’t know if this item was ever filmed, or if it still exists. I think the only known footage of the Wigan Casino is contained within Granada’s ‘This England: Wigan Casino’ programme, which was broadcast on 12 December 1977.
Tom Petty
Here’s a rough transcript of Pattie Coldwell’s disastrous interview with Tom Petty, broadcast on the ‘What’s On’ segment of ‘Granada Reports’, on 19 May 1977. I found this in the ‘New Manchester Review’ issue 36 (June 3 – June 16, 1977).
Patti Coldwell: “Why are you going to be the greatest thing in pop?” Camera to Tom Petty: He looks blank. P.C. repeats question. T.P. mumbling, embarrassingly. “Well, maybe it’s because we’re good”, perks up “The Heartbreakers and I are pleased to offer you…” and hands the nonplussed interviewer a three foot long cardboard Heartbreaker’s motif. P.C. struggles to keep free advertising off centre screen. Fails. Somehow her earpiece falls out. (Fortissimo). “No, no! Tell me about your music. What’s so special about it?” T.P.: Mumbling “It’s just rock n’ roll music” P.C. (Mezzo soprano) “But why are all these people getting so excited about you?” T.P.: Says nothing. Eventually. “Well, it’s just rock n’ roll music, you know” P.C. “Well, thank you Tom Petty for coming into the studio. I still don’t know anything about your…” Rapid fade out.
Public Image Limited
Some sources state that the TV debut of Public Image Limited was broadcast on ‘Granada Reports’ on 18 June 1979. However, it looks like this was delayed for quite a while. The following piece is from Bob Dickinson’s rock column in the ‘New Manchester Review’ issue 85 (July 13 – 26, 1979)
Public Image LTD made a day of it in Manchester recently when they made a recording for Granada TV and spent a pleasant evening doing an off-the-cuff appearance at the Russell Club. The film was made for Granada Reports, but when I asked about a proposed date for screening I was told. “Couldn’t tell you! They could be recording them and keeping the cassette for when we need it. It might not be local, it might be networked, in which case I don’t know”.
Another much-needed slab of popular culture disappears into the vaults? Maybe, but P:I:L: aren’t that communicative themselves – Johnny’s night at the Russell passed by with his back to the audience.
The All-Time Great Top Twenty
A Granada Reports special called ‘The All-Time Great Top Twenty’ was scheduled for 24 August 1979. The presenter was Ray Teret. I don’t think this was ever broadcast because of the ITV strike. Here’s the listing from the TV Times.
This is it! A complete rundown of the twenty best-selling records in Britain since 1960, when sales were first charted. Stand by for some surprises! The Beatles, Boney M. and Wings are all there, but did you know that Ken Dodd, Blondie and Gary Glitter are also contenders for the chart positions?
Granada re-used this idea for ‘The Solid Gold Top 20’ which was broadcast nationally on 28 December 1979. This was presented by Jimmy Pursey from Sham 69 and it still exists.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Apr 28, 2019 10:33:27 GMT
Well it's clear that Patti Coldwell was a useless old trout.
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Post by markdixon on Aug 16, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
The following might seem a bit off-topic at first but it does relate to this thread.
There’s an exhibition on at the moment at the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester about the early years of Factory Records. Many items from Tony Wilson’s archive are on display including a handwritten list of potential guests for a proposed third series of ‘So It Goes’. I remember reading that plans for a third series were scrapped when Granada bosses heard Iggy Pop swear in an episode from Series 2 broadcast in October 1977. However, this list appears to be from the second half of 1978 because many of the bands included are post-punk. I didn’t know there were plans to bring back ‘So It Goes’ nearly a year after it was cancelled.
There are nearly 50 bands on the list and about half of these (Buzzcocks, Wire etc.) had already appeared on either the second series of ‘So It Goes’ (1977) or the first series of the late-night ‘What’s On’ (1978). Here are the bands that Wilson was hoping to put on television for the first time:
Public Image Limited, Talking Heads, Cabaret Voltaire, Gang of Four, Joy Division, the Normal, the Undertones, Ludus, Manicured Noise, the Dead Boys, Suicide, Pere Ubu, the Human League, Punishment of Luxury, Black Slate, Patrick Fitzgerald, the Smirks, the Yachts, Wayne County and the Electric Chairs, Ultravox, Matumbi, the Only Ones, the Desperate Bicycles, ATV
Three of the bands on the list (Human League, Joy Division, PIL) appeared on ‘Granada Reports’ after the attempt to revive ‘So It Goes’ was abandoned. I think it’s very likely that some of the others did too in 1978 or 1979. We can rule out Talking Heads because Wilson said in an interview that he was never able to get them to appear on a Granada programme. I also know that Cabaret Voltaire and Pere Ubu didn’t make their TV debuts until the 1980s.
Hopefully somebody out there can confirm if some of these bands did appear on ‘Granada Reports’. It would also be great if a few off-air recordings turned up on YouTube or elsewhere.
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