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Post by Colin Welsh on Jan 28, 2015 0:21:18 GMT
Just a quick query - has anyone ever contacted CBC affiliate stations like CFYK-DT - the CBC station in Yellowknife - to see if they have Doctor Who episodes? Apparent they have been around as early as 1958.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 28, 2015 3:15:41 GMT
CFYK TV in Yellowknife went on the air in 1967.
Some sources say the radio station CFYK-AM went on the air in 1958, others say 1948.
Either way .. there's no point. There is no evidence that any CBC station aired episodes other than at the national time slot when it was transmitted by the Microwave network. I know Jon has some theories that a couple of stations were airing it a day or so later, but even if true (and I don't think it is, given it was the same timeslot ... I think the TV listings were just not correct, as if often the case) they'd have recorded the microwave feed to video tape, before playing it out a day or so later, and then recycling the tape (we know how much broadcast quality video tape was worth in 1965!).
Who knows what old films might be lying in storage in old Canadian TV stations ... but sadly there's no indication that Doctor Who would be one of them. And no reason to believe the 1965 16-mm films ever left Toronto, before being returned to BBC Worldwide in Toronto ... a few blocks from the CBC facilty.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jan 28, 2015 10:14:43 GMT
ALWAYS check everywhere and everything !
'there's no point' is the attitude that causes things to be overlooked - no Doctor Who may come to light but how often when looking for one thing do you discover something else of interest...?
so it's always worth checking...!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 28, 2015 12:58:10 GMT
Surely though one needs to understand what one is looking for and when. One would have a limited opportunity to check any particular station. Surely better to be inquiring about something a particular did air (like Z-Cars) rather than something they didn't (like Doctor Who).
Particularly CBC network-owned stations that didn't even open until long after CBC aired Doctor Who.
I'd think a privately-owned CBC station would be of more interest than a network-owned as well.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 28, 2015 18:38:40 GMT
Mabye slightly OT: where did the tapes of Claws of Axos & other NTSC Pertwee episodes turn up in Canada?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 29, 2015 3:08:53 GMT
Mabye slightly OT: where did the tapes of Claws of Axos & other NTSC Pertwee episodes turn up in Canada? Claws was aired by TV Ontario (TVO) in Toronto. Some of the colour NTSC came from TV Ontario, and others (such as Inferno) came from CKVU, a (then) independent station in Vancouver (now part of City-TV). Though I think all the returns were directly from BBC Worldwide in Toronto, which supplied both TVO and CKVU. These were from sales that started in 1976. More information at gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Canada |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 29, 2015 13:12:29 GMT
OK thanks for filling me in.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Feb 1, 2015 11:30:54 GMT
CFYK TV in Yellowknife went on the air in 1967. Some sources say the radio station CFYK-AM went on the air in 1958, others say 1948. Either way .. there's no point. There is no evidence that any CBC station aired episodes other than at the national time slot when it was transmitted by the Microwave network. I know Jon has some theories that a couple of stations were airing it a day or so later, but even if true (and I don't think it is, given it was the same timeslot ... I think the TV listings were just not correct, as if often the case) they'd have recorded the microwave feed to video tape, before playing it out a day or so later, and then recycling the tape (we know how much broadcast quality video tape was worth in 1965!). Who knows what old films might be lying in storage in old Canadian TV stations ... but sadly there's no indication that Doctor Who would be one of them. And no reason to believe the 1965 16-mm films ever left Toronto, before being returned to BBC Worldwide in Toronto ... a few blocks from the CBC facilty. I recall mention in an eighties missing episode article for Primetime of a "warehouse in Toronto" that had never been investigated for its contents. I wonder if that's what the author (Richard Marson I think) was referring to? It wasn't a run-of-the-mill speculative piece because he also mentioned a "complete run of the Simenon series 13 Against Fate" held in a foreign archive but which the BBC weren't prepared to spend the money on to retrieve - which must refer to the same holdings eventually recovered 25 years later from the Library of Congress. So presumably Toronto was finally cataloged in full? |
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Feb 1, 2015 13:22:18 GMT
Anyone asked Phil Morris if he has been to Canada?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 1, 2015 15:11:40 GMT
I recall mention in an eighties missing episode article for Primetime of a "warehouse in Toronto" that had never been investigated for its contents. I wonder if that's what the author (Richard Marson I think) was referring to? It wasn't a run-of-the-mill speculative piece because he also mentioned a "complete run of the Simenon series 13 Against Fate" held in a foreign archive but which the BBC weren't prepared to spend the money on to retrieve - which must refer to the same holdings eventually recovered 25 years later from the Library of Congress. So presumably Toronto was finally cataloged in full? Sounds like BS to me. CBC's film library was well over 10,000 films, but was hardly "in a warehouse" or "never investigated". There was always an index. And it was shipped to the National Archives about 30 years ago, where the full index has been online for decades. Not much of interest - about 99% Canadian. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some lost Panorama material that worked it's way into shows like "Nature of Things". Some of CBC's paper archives were warehoused for a while, but I believe that these are also now in the hands of the National Archives, and is being indexed. I'm sure there's some gems of information there for researchers interested in the origins of The Beachcombers. I don't believe any of these archives were in the North West Territories though ... |
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Post by John Wall on Feb 14, 2015 15:52:51 GMT
ALWAYS check everywhere and everything ! 'there's no point' is the attitude that causes things to be overlooked - no Doctor Who may come to light but how often when looking for one thing do you discover something else of interest...? so it's always worth checking...! Trust, but verify ! |
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Feb 15, 2015 11:14:33 GMT
I recall mention in an eighties missing episode article for Primetime of a "warehouse in Toronto" that had never been investigated for its contents. I wonder if that's what the author (Richard Marson I think) was referring to? It wasn't a run-of-the-mill speculative piece because he also mentioned a "complete run of the Simenon series 13 Against Fate" held in a foreign archive but which the BBC weren't prepared to spend the money on to retrieve - which must refer to the same holdings eventually recovered 25 years later from the Library of Congress. So presumably Toronto was finally cataloged in full? Sounds like BS to me. CBC's film library was well over 10,000 films, but was hardly "in a warehouse" or "never investigated". There was always an index. And it was shipped to the National Archives about 30 years ago, where the full index has been online for decades. Not much of interest - about 99% Canadian. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some lost Panorama material that worked it's way into shows like "Nature of Things". Some of CBC's paper archives were warehoused for a while, but I believe that these are also now in the hands of the National Archives, and is being indexed. I'm sure there's some gems of information there for researchers interested in the origins of The Beachcombers. I don't believe any of these archives were in the North West Territories though ... Nicolas - to be clear I've no idea if the "warehouse" referred to was CBC's, just the location as being in Toronto. The fact that the author had some insider knowledge on the Library of Congress holdings in the mid-Eighties is what makes me think twice about his other comments. I must try to dig the whole article out and post it here (copyright allowing). |
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Feb 18, 2015 3:24:05 GMT
Nicolas - to be clear I've no idea if the "warehouse" referred to was CBC's, just the location as being in Toronto. The fact that the author had some insider knowledge on the Library of Congress holdings in the mid-Eighties is what makes me think twice about his other comments. I must try to dig the whole article out and post it here (copyright allowing). I'd be interested to see. There are one or two gems in the CBC archive (now in the archives in Ottawa), despite the index being public for decades. Perhaps "investigated" doesn't mean indexed. And certainly in the 1980s BBC still had their own archive in Toronto. |
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Post by Randy Howell on May 13, 2015 2:28:24 GMT
Just a quick query - has anyone ever contacted CBC affiliate stations like CFYK-DT - the CBC station in Yellowknife - to see if they have Doctor Who episodes? Apparent they have been around as early as 1958.
By affiliate stations like Yellowknife I guess you are asking about TV stations in remote areas of Canada. As others have pointed out the station in Yellowknife started in 1967, long after Doctor Who wrapped up.
During the 1965 CBC run for William Hartnell episodes some remote stations were programmed on a delayed basis using 16 mm film recordings (kinescopes) in a bicycle route. There was a single set of kinescopes in circulation that was shared among these remote stations. Prominent among this list of stations that may have showed Doctor Who in this way are CBWBT Flin Flon in Manitoba and CFLA Goose Bay in Labrador (Flin Flon definitely showed Marco Polo and Goose Bay may have).
There is no point checking these two stations as they have been shut down. We know from license hearing transcripts that in serving these remote stations the CBC was pretty serious about controlling film print distribution as it paid for all shipping (both inbound and outbound) so given the small size of these stations there is no reason to expect these films would have been left there. Further, CBWBT Flin Flon was owned and operated by the CBC and although CFLA Goose Bay was operated by the United States Air Force it held a CBC station license and it was under the supervision of an in-house CBC manager. In that sense, these two stations were not affiliates but actual CBC stations.
There were repeat episodes in Saskatchewan for a few weeks after the series ended elsewhere but we do not know what episodes were shown. It could have used the same kinescopes as Flin Flon. The kinescopes were likely destroyed long ago.
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Post by Patrick Coles on May 13, 2015 16:54:01 GMT
but then there was no point in checking those African countries either.....according to some of those so called important 'uber fans'
where we now know some old 'missing' episodes WERE once still held...prior to their being destroyed later !
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