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Post by johnstewart on Dec 19, 2014 16:30:08 GMT
The BFIs 'OUT OF THE UNKNOWN' release is an excellent,almost definitive collection. I say almost relating to the following queries. -
Though I'm aware most of the first two series were transmitted from 35mm T/Rs, at least one surviving here, I believe went out on VT. ('Lambda I') Just curious to know what governed the decision not to VidFire any of the piece? Budget springs to mind. The other queries that I'd like to raise are -
clips of incomplete episodes.- I'm aware two audio clips exist from the series 3 episode 'GET OFF MY CLOUD'. Wondered why these wern't included. I raise the matter as many are aware the story; (and audio); feature Daleks. I'm a bit puzzled why these have been omitted. To be fair; though 'BEACH HEAD' is a classic; a complete recon of the very average series 3 story 'The yellow pill' has been made. Though it reads as a remake of the little represented OUT OF THIS WORLD series; a recon using CGI and existing stills from GET OFF MY CLOUD would appeal to a wider audience. 1. It features Daleks. 2. It's a more interesting and timely piece from 1969 than YELLOW PILL.
THE UNIVITED. - It's disappointing to see they opted just to page the script matched to the audio. The reason stated is the lack of publicity stills. Actually a large amount appear in the stills gallery. Granted they are mainly of the main couple featured (The Pattisons?); but there's also a still of one of the ghostly couple played by Brian Wilde. I guess the funding wouldn't extend to cover use of the BBCs Caversham written archive so no Radio Times stills are used and not that more than we already know about missing episodes like THE CHOPPER appears. Albeit more than previously said does.
The Radio Times and repeat showing carried two stills unpublished here for THE UNINVITED. One showed a head and shoulders portrait of the main couple; by night. The repeat I believe had a still of the tortured ghostly mistress played by Hilary or Rosemary Mason.
If those stills were accessed at least there would be more characters in the play represented for a recon. Using the Hammer remake, the existing stills and memories posted on missing eps converted into CGI images; a good visual recon could be made. I guess maybe the BFI were just more interested in series 3?
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Post by Christopher Perry on Dec 19, 2014 17:01:56 GMT
I believe budget was the main issue. They did the best they could with the budget they had.
Personally I think they have done an exceptional job.
As for the audio clips from Get Off My Cloud, perhaps no one knew about them? Did anyone actually email the BFI and offer them the clips for use?
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Post by George D on Dec 20, 2014 3:59:05 GMT
I don't have any clips to offer. Perhaps better inventorying of sound clips would be helpful for future projects. The one thing that disappointed me was the one episode that should have had a recon but didn't. I'm glad thatthis set finally can't out and I'm appreciative for what we have The BFIs 'OUT OF THE UNKNOWN' release is an excellent,almost definitive collection. I say almost relating to the following queries. - Though I'm aware most of the first two series were transmitted from 35mm T/Rs, at least one surviving here, I believe went out on VT. ('Lambda I') Just curious to know what governed the decision not to VidFire any of the piece? Budget springs to mind. The other queries that I'd like to raise are - clips of incomplete episodes.- I'm aware two audio clips exist from the series 3 episode 'GET OFF MY CLOUD'. Wondered why these wern't included. I raise the matter as many are aware the story; (and audio); feature Daleks. I'm a bit puzzled why these have been omitted. To be fair; though 'BEACH HEAD' is a classic; a complete recon of the very average series 3 story 'The yellow pill' has been made. Though it reads as a remake of the little represented OUT OF THIS WORLD series; a recon using CGI and existing stills from GET OFF MY CLOUD would appeal to a wider audience. 1. It features Daleks. 2. It's a more interesting and timely piece from 1969 than YELLOW PILL. THE UNIVITED. - It's disappointing to see they opted just to page the script matched to the audio. The reason stated is the lack of publicity stills. Actually a large amount appear in the stills gallery. Granted they are mainly of the main couple featured (The Pattisons?); but there's also a still of one of the ghostly couple played by Brian Wilde. I guess the funding wouldn't extend to cover use of the BBCs Caversham written archive so no Radio Times stills are used and not that more than we already know about missing episodes like THE CHOPPER appears. Albeit more than previously said does. The Radio Times and repeat showing carried two stills unpublished here for THE UNINVITED. One showed a head and shoulders portrait of the main couple; by night. The repeat I believe had a still of the tortured ghostly mistress played by Hilary or Rosemary Mason. If those stills were accessed at least there would be more characters in the play represented for a recon. Using the Hammer remake, the existing stills and memories posted on missing eps converted into CGI images; a good visual recon could be made. I guess maybe the BFI were just more interested in series 3? |
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Post by Christopher Perry on Dec 20, 2014 8:39:06 GMT
The difficulty with sounds clips is that huge amounts exists in private hands, both private radio recordings and private TV soundtracks. But most are simply uncatalogued and not known about. The BBC has a poor track record of asking for them back; and the owners often don't tell people they have them.
Unless the knowledge of their existence is in the public domain then no one knows who to ask for what and where :-)
It's a similar issue with Youtube - Ray finds a missing clip, but 99% of the time when the uploader is contacted they either ignore the request to return the clip or do reply and are not keen.
Knowing something exists is one thing. Actually getting a copy back to the official archives is much, much harder.
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Post by RWels on Dec 22, 2014 10:38:58 GMT
Out of interest, do Ray / KAL download these clips, and in the highest possible quality?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Dec 22, 2014 11:13:13 GMT
The difficulty with sounds clips is that huge amounts exists in private hands, both private radio recordings and private TV soundtracks. But most are simply uncatalogued and not known about. The BBC has a poor track record of asking for them back; and the owners often don't tell people they have them. Unless the knowledge of their existence is in the public domain then no one knows who to ask for what and where :-) It's a similar issue with Youtube - Ray finds a missing clip, but 99% of the time when the uploader is contacted they either ignore the request to return the clip or do reply and are not keen. Knowing something exists is one thing. Actually getting a copy back to the official archives is much, much harder. I think a lot of the problems in this country stems from the fact the way archive holders are treated - if someone has a Dr Who film for example- you have one lot shouting hell,fire and damnation about "give it back it belongs to us" and another lot nonchalant when they they try to give it back. The fact is the film BELONGS to the person who has taken care of it all these years, and he is quite free to hide it away and watch it by himself in his living room and blow anybody else. Of course if he tries to make money from what is on the film that is another matter because that does belong to the rights holder. I am certainly not talking about orgs like Kaleidoscope in this way, but about the general mass who perhaps should show a little respect to someone who has either recorded archive material or kept a film in his own attic for years and saved someone like the BBC from paying something like £16 per square foot a week storage space. Maybe if they were shown some respect they would not be so shy and indifferent? |
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Post by RWels on Dec 22, 2014 11:37:59 GMT
Ah, but how is that ever going to change? Some chances are definitely lost this way. But if I can play the devil's advocate here, the BBC / BFI / other may not want to spend money on a desk to listen to 124 people with worthless stuff, only to find that the 125th has an audio recording from a missing show that is interesting as a record, but commercially not viable.
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 22, 2014 17:53:53 GMT
just to add if anyone out there considers doing a sound to stills match recon of THE UNIVITED. The first three stills on the DVD seem to be from the opening. The opening shot was of a mirror table possibly with titles over it panning to a suitcase on a bed. This suitcase is seen in the stills on the DVD as the couple are moving into the house. The shots with the exotic plant on the left are probably before the scene where they have a joint hallucination of the ghostly couple arguing. They try to plead with Brian Wildes character who is apparently in another dimension and can't hear them. The room is in Victorian/Edwardian decor. The stills of Wilde on a staircase may be a late scene where hes seen dragging his mistresses corpse down the stairs in a trunk. The same trunk was seen earlier stashed in a pantry type room which had a central shelf. The shelf had hooks with flat fish on them. Atop the shelf was a stuffed armadillo and a pickled sea urchin in a jar. I seem to think the trunk was chromakeyed and shimmering. Possibly so as it could be faded when the room returned to its real present state. The body within may have been the dummy used for DOOMWATCH 'TOMORROW THE RAT'. This is as I seem to recall it being headless. That detail seems to have been lost in the Hammer TV remake.
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Post by Christopher Perry on Dec 23, 2014 8:30:51 GMT
I agree that copyright holders can have a very ambivalent attitude at times towards preserving the material offered back to them, but a huge amount has been returned over the years direct to them; or via Kaleidoscope or Missing Believed Wiped. A great deal of this returned material has been seen in public again at events or released on DVD or reshown on channels like GOLD.
The Out of the Unknown release is a good example of how all BBC-held recordings were accessed.
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 24, 2014 18:42:26 GMT
Yes it's a good set. Obviously all need to be aware that there are some more missing bits out there though. The 'get of my cloud' audio extracts, and the elusive Australian censor clips from series 3 and 4. That needs to be looked into. The 'naked sun' clip edited to violence I understand from Mausoleum club is minimal, but the 'last witness' clip is around a minute and is quite a good clip from the screen shots posted some time back.
If anyone has access to video editing tools would be nice to see an attempt at a recon of 'the uninvited' using stills and animation. I should add that during the end bit where the couple socially aware from the seeming endless nightmare to reality used a chromakeyed swirl like the 'circle of fear' titles. The two in night clothes were seen rotating faster and faster in a void in front of it. The comic strip look to some of these images beg to be recreated with an animation tool.
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 24, 2014 18:48:08 GMT
Hoping its under the tree waiting for tomorrow......
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Post by Christopher Perry on Dec 26, 2014 8:24:47 GMT
As far as I know the OOTU censor clips seem to have been announced as returned to the BBC circa 2001/2002 but after that the actual whereabouts is completely unknown. The BBC announced their return publicly but later claimed they didn't have the tape at the time, it was en route from Australia but never arrived. I have no idea after that.
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Post by richardwoods on Dec 26, 2014 11:21:55 GMT
Yes!!! It's arrived along with the restored UFO DVD's.
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Post by johnstewart on Dec 28, 2014 17:21:58 GMT
As far as I know the OOTU censor clips seem to have been announced as returned to the BBC circa 2001/2002 but after that the actual whereabouts is completely unknown. The BBC announced their return publicly but later claimed they didn't have the tape at the time, it was en route from Australia but never arrived. I have no idea after that. It may be worth going through some of the old threads here via the moderators. Someone posted up several screen grab shots from the 'LAST WITNESS' censored clip. I don't know where those shots could have come from; they were from the sequence not publicity stills. Might be a lead. |
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Dec 28, 2014 22:36:27 GMT
Yes!!! It's arrived along with the restored UFO DVD's. I got my (telefantasy) heart's desire too. OOTU gluttony here I come. |
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