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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 25, 2015 16:53:54 GMT
TV Ontario did not broadcast Terror of the Autons or The Ambassadors of Death as they were no longer available in color by the time TV Ontario started airing Dr. Who. That TV Ontario didn't broadcast some Pertwees doesn't necessarily preclude their availability in colour. For a decade or so TVO tended to air Doctor Who in "seasons" of about 26 episodes. As they only aired 2 "sesaons" of Pertewee starting in 1976, before moving to the first 28-episode Baker season in 1978. TVO aired "26 episodes" of Pertwee starting in 1976, and the second "season" of 28 starting in 1977. There's no indication that there weren't some other NTSC Pertwee's available to TVO in 1976. In fact we know there were, because at the same time of the BBC sale to TVO, we also had the BBC sale to CKVU which included 19 other Pertwees that TVO never aired (Inferno, Sea Devils, and Colony in Space). I expect that with the NTSC Tom Baker's coming available in 1978, there was only interest in doing 2 "seasons" of Pertwee, and that there was more Pertwee material available in NTSC to TVO had they desired. There also seems to be a separation between what BBC Worldwide (based in Toronto) were doing in Canada and what Time-Life were doing in the USA
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 25, 2015 17:24:09 GMT
Animation gives you a sense of visual action to go with the soundtrack, and as far as I am concerned it wins hands down. For that reason alone, I would grudgingly buy Web again with an animated episode 3. Have discussed my issues with recons on here many times before, I won't bore everyone again with them again. Just to stress, this is just my personal view. That is why I am still waiting to buy The Web of Fear on DVD. Include an animated episode, and I'll gladly buy it. No point in buying a recon. The same applies for The Underwater Menace.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Jan 26, 2015 1:33:55 GMT
I just watched WEB OF FEAR last week. The RECON isn't bad. I still prefer animation.
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Post by George D on Jan 26, 2015 4:26:22 GMT
While normally I prefer animations, when 5 of the 6 episodes show up of web of fear, I'm not going to complain that the missing one is telesnaps
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 27, 2015 7:04:32 GMT
TV Ontario did not broadcast Terror of the Autons or The Ambassadors of Death as they were no longer available in color by the time TV Ontario started airing Dr. Who. That TV Ontario didn't broadcast some Pertwees doesn't necessarily preclude their availability in colour. For a decade or so TVO tended to air Doctor Who in "seasons" of about 26 episodes. As they only aired 2 "sesaons" of Pertewee starting in 1976, before moving to the first 28-episode Baker season in 1978. TVO aired "26 episodes" of Pertwee starting in 1976, and the second "season" of 28 starting in 1977. There's no indication that there weren't some other NTSC Pertwee's available to TVO in 1976. In fact we know there were, because at the same time of the BBC sale to TVO, we also had the BBC sale to CKVU which included 19 other Pertwees that TVO never aired (Inferno, Sea Devils, and Colony in Space). I expect that with the NTSC Tom Baker's coming available in 1978, there was only interest in doing 2 "seasons" of Pertwee, and that there was more Pertwee material available in NTSC to TVO had they desired. There also seems to be a separation between what BBC Worldwide (based in Toronto) were doing in Canada and what Time-Life were doing in the USA Well Vancouver B.C. did not air The Ambassadors of Death or Terror of the Autons either. it is possible that TV Ontario declined those story's due to the lack of color tapes. It also could be possible that TV Ontario declined some of the existing color Pertwee story's as they were dupes of tapes recovered from other TV stations and considered not up to Technical standard. No idea though why Carnival of Monsters did not air though as that existed as a master tape all along. We may never know unless someone can unearth some paper work showing what was offered to TV Ontario back then and which story's were actually declined. I would not at all be surprised if Time Life and BBC Toronto were at that point not communicating with each other and as a result there might have been a missed opportunity for TV Ontario to air them
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 27, 2015 12:31:04 GMT
Well Vancouver B.C. did not air The Ambassadors of Death or Terror of the Autons either. it is possible that TV Ontario declined those story's due to the lack of color tapes. It also could be possible that TV Ontario declined some of the existing color Pertwee story's as they were dupes of tapes recovered from other TV stations and considered not up to Technical standard. No idea though why Carnival of Monsters did not air though as that existed as a master tape all along. We may never know unless someone can unearth some paper work showing what was offered to TV Ontario back then and which story's were actually declined. I would not at all be surprised if Time Life and BBC Toronto were at that point not communicating with each other and as a result there might have been a missed opportunity for TV Ontario to air them CKVU and TVO were both supplied by BBC in Canada rather than Time-Life in the USA (at least for the Pertwees). I suppose there could have been quality issues for TVO - though I expect the more likely answer is simply that there was a desire to move to the Tom Baker material, rather than air more Pertwees. The second Pertwee "season" appears to have been designed to move to Baker, rather than the ad-hoc arrangement of the first "season". Unless the BBC's paperwork appears, we can probably speculate on this to death. Though given that everything is extant that TVO or CKVU ever aired, probably not of particular interest. One would assume that the episodes that were lost in colour were only ever held by Time-Life, and not BBC in Toronto. But I'm speculating ...
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 27, 2015 23:45:49 GMT
True we can speculate this to death. My logic is that if TV Ontario was so intersted in Tom Baker storys they could have simply started with "Robot" instead of airing any Jon Pertwee episodes. IF they wanted to get to Tom quicker they might have only bought "The Green Death", "The Time Warrior and "Planet of the Spiders" and skipped over the rest of the ones offerd.
my money for what it is worh is that the BBC offered them what ever was left as a 2 inch master tape be it PAL or NTSC and that the storys that were skipped my have been offered to TV O later on and TV O declined to air them as they were going in continuity order and did not want to jump back and forth. My other thought is it was a quality issue as TV O did not want transmission tapes that were not up to standard with all the other episodes.
We may never know?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 28, 2015 0:51:08 GMT
TVO may have been in negotiations with the BBC to buy the Tom Bakers much earlier, but the BBC may not have been in a position to do NTSC conversions straight away, so offered the Pertwees as a compromise while the conversions were being arranged. (CKVU piggy-backed this same deal.)
When the sale of the Bakers to the USA was signed off in late 1977 / early 1978, this may have prompted the BBC to get the Bakers converted with some urgency, and also offer them to TVO.
TVO may then have bought a second 'season' of Pertwees (from the same batch that had been sold to WGBH) as a lead-in until the Bakers were available, whereas CKVU didn't take up the offer of the Bakers, but instead took a further batch of Pertwees, being the ones that TVO didn't take.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 28, 2015 1:36:13 GMT
[TVO may then have bought a second 'season' of Pertwees (from the same batch that had been sold to WGBH) as a lead-in until the Bakers were available, whereas CKVU didn't take up the offer of the Bakers, but instead took a further batch of Pertwees, being the ones that TVO didn't take. [/quote]
That is another good possibliity escpecally as the Tom Baker storys that were airing in Seattle, Washington or some of the other PBS stations in north western Washington State were available in British Columbia via cable TV so there would have been airing different episodes.
Now is there any paper work out the to show that CKVU bought Jon Pertwee in two seperate pacakges. . . . . ?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 28, 2015 3:30:27 GMT
I think Jon has nailed it. Though looking at who broadcast what, when - and knowing that TVO repeated these a lot so held onto the tapes for a whle (they aired them a lot more than shown on the Broadwcast site - there a was a point in early 1978, where they were airing new episodes on Saturday and an older one on Thursday, plus summer repeats, etc.), it's clear that there were 2 copies of some of the tapes ... 3 if the WGBH/WGBX were also coming from BBC in Toronto like TVO and CKVU were.
Broadwcast shows a 3-year gap in CKVU episodes. Is this real, or a lack of data? I lived in Ontario at the time, so had no awareness of what CKVU aired (unlike today, where I get it on cable in Ontario). If real - then presumably at least 2 packages ... though I'd heard years ago that CKVU had had these episodes for years ... so I don't know.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 28, 2015 3:54:18 GMT
(they aired them a lot more than shown on the Broadwcast site - there a was a point in early 1978, where they were airing new episodes on Saturday and an older one on Thursday, plus summer repeats, etc.), it's clear that there were 2 copies of some of the tapes Were there more repeats? I wasn't unaware of that. I thought I had found them all. There were no further listings for DW outside the dates we have. But then the published TV listings for all the Vancouver stations always started at 10am, which I think is simply a publishing limitation -- as I'd expect several of the stations to be transmitting long before 10am. So if there were further screenings of DW, they'd have been prior to 10am. I'm sure there were more -- since there have been reports of the eps being repeated several times, and there aren't enough printed airdates to support that claim.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jan 28, 2015 4:53:55 GMT
Were there more repeats? I wasn't unaware of that. I thought I had found them all. [/quote]Oh, definitely more repeats. I was in Kingston, and we couldn't get TVO until we got cable in about October 1977, so the first series I saw on TVO was Green Death on Saturdays ... but if I remember correctly, Day of the Daleks was airing on Thursdays. And by the time Tom Baker showed up in fall 1978 (both on TVO, and on our local PBS station WNPE from Watertown NY, across the lake), I'd seen all the Pertwees that TVO aired. Some I think more than once. Though Time Monster I don't think I saw much of ... maybe the second series wasn't repeated (or perhaps I was in England when it was repeated). The original airdates look right. Perhaps I can dig through old Star and Globe's when I have a chance (I have access to both through an online account) ... I think they included episode titles. I keep meaning to do that for WNED, as I seem to seeing as a kid in the Toronto TV listings when visiting, that Monstor of Peladon was running ... either in summer 1980 or 1981 ... but that doesn't make sense looking at your listings for WNED, or the availability of Season 11 to PBS. Maybe it was Curse back in 1978, and my mind is playing tricks on me ... but why would that have interested at the time, as TVO was airing it. Hmm ... though, TVO did repeat Monster in summer 1980 ... maybe I was just confused about which channels PBS and TVO were in Toronto back then ... 17 and 19 if I remember correctly. There were no further listings for DW outside the dates we have. But then the published TV listings for all the Vancouver stations always started at 10am, which I think is simply a publishing limitation -- as I'd expect several of the stations to be transmitting long before 10am. So if there were further screenings of DW, they'd have been prior to 10am. I'm sure there were more -- since there have been reports of the eps being repeated several times, and there aren't enough printed airdates to support that claim. Oh, they'd have been broadcasting at 7 AM if not 6 AM, surely. None of the newspapers have before 10 AM? Not even those in Seattle and northwest Washington? (though my recollection is that Seattle newspapers would list CBC, but not all the other channels - at least more recently).
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 28, 2015 6:24:31 GMT
This has diverted completely from U/M related stuff !!!
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 28, 2015 18:46:02 GMT
This has diverted completely from U/M related stuff !!! Yeah, I just hope we have The Underwater Menace with animated episodes released on DVD. I remember there was a time when there was something on the Planet 55 Studio website about The Underwater Menace a long time ago, but there is nothing there now. I hope the episodes will be animated, but this is not a good sign.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 28, 2015 20:27:36 GMT
This has diverted completely from U/M related stuff !!! Yeah, I just hope we have The Underwater Menace with animated episodes released on DVD. I remember there was a time when there was something on the Planet 55 Studio website about The Underwater Menace a long time ago, but there is nothing there now. I hope the episodes will be animated, but this is not a good sign. It's kind of sad that you just can"t get an answer about this one. What with the rumour a dodo some time ago, it would be nice to have something classic coming out It"s like getting honesty from a politician lol
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