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Post by richardwoods on Jan 15, 2015 17:50:34 GMT
Just to emphasise that I have no knowledge of any better copies of Pertwee era Who in circulation, but isn't it is possible that better domestic NSTC recordings are out there that could make a difference with the colour transfer method of restoration, but presumably the chroma dot restoration method would make this irrelevant anyway?
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2015 0:48:46 GMT
The Restoartion Team had acesses to those tapes since the early 1990's and the BBC took copies . Even I had really good quailty NTSC VHS copies of Silurains, Ambassadors, Autons and The Daemons back in the early 1980's when I was just 18 years old so if you think you know of better quality tapes still being hoarded out there I think that your mistaken or miss informed.
And yes There was the six minute clip of The Mind of Evil as well.
I also had VHS NTSC video tape copies of Inferno, Claws of Axos, Colony in Space, Day of the Daleks, Curse of Peladon and the rest of season 9 but no one thinks about those recordings because the 2 inch tapes have been recovered by the BBC. They were recorded in different US Markets back then but only the ones from season 7 and 8 generate any interest.
But yes I remember what it was like to have a copy on Claws of Axos and Inferno on VHS before the color tapes were recovered from Toronto and Vancouver B.C.
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Post by George D on Jan 16, 2015 5:14:25 GMT
I remember having a color terror of the autons in the 80s and it looked great. Some others though. . Did not.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 16, 2015 7:44:03 GMT
I remember having a color terror of the autons in the 80s and it looked great. Some others though. . Did not. I did have very dodgy copies of those as well. The thing is regardless of who had what, it"s the missing stuff we should be worried about. And What about U/M As we should be talking about
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Post by lousingh on Jan 16, 2015 16:45:59 GMT
The colour copies are from a set of very well-known video collectors in Canada near Toronto and Vancouver. Terror of the Autons is a copy of the masters taken from Channel 17 in Buffalo, The Ambassadors of Death is either a copy of or even the original prints from TVOntario in Toronto, and The Mind of Evil is descended from a master copy from CKVU in Vancouver. I personally have seen all three of these at the Who Party conventions. From what I have seen, the colourisation of the Pertwee episodes were from some grainy copies turned over by fans. Indeed, the one from The Ambassadors of Death looks like it was a parent to the copy I have - in one spot of Episode 7, the colour drops out in the same place!
If you read DWIN's _Enlightenment_ 'zine, people regularly make jokes about these guys showing previously-unknown copies of various episodes at club meetings and various other nonsense. Personal favourites: BBC had planned on experimenting with colour for Doctor Who and he had found a full colour copy of The Power of the Daleks; he was showing the BBC screen test for Tom Baker as Zaphod Beeblebrox in The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2015 17:15:45 GMT
Terror of the Autons was recorded in 4 part episode format from WTTW 11 in Chicago there is FESTIVILE 77 logo on the front of episode 1 on the tape. . . .
The Ambassadors of Death was from WNED 17 in Buffalo New York. There are WNED opening on the beginning of a few of the episodes that clearly show the station ID The 6 minute clip of The Mind of Evil was also from WTTW in Chicago. The Daemons was from an omnibus broadcast on KCET in Los Angeles.
TV Ontario did not broadcast Terror of the Autons or The Ambassadors of Death as they were no longer available in color by the time TV Ontario started airing Dr. Who.
I have no idea what the origional broadcaster of the color copy of The Silurians was. . .
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Post by George D on Jan 16, 2015 18:04:39 GMT
I think an interesting project would be to reach out to the newspapers in those areas and run a story on it. Perhaps someone still has something in their basement that might be a colour upgrade?
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2015 20:07:41 GMT
Sadly I have no doubt that video tapes from the 1970's would not be in as good condition as they were back then. Even my color copy of terror of the autons which thanks be to god was copied from the origional recording in 1983 has finaly gummed up and as I was a kid at the time I had limited money for VHS tapes back then. My Terror of the Autons tape fianly gummed up in the VHS machine when I was doing some research for Broadcast on it. Forutnalt I had a DVD back up and since htenits been released on DVD so its really of no further value.
Now A special edtion of The Silurians I have no doubt would benefit greatly from the use of the 16mm film negatives color dots combined with the color from the NTSC video tape. Same for Colony in Space. I pray those two get a special edition as well as a few episodes of The Sea Devils and The Mutants would benefit as well.
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 16, 2015 20:08:42 GMT
Does a combination of the two methods give the best results rather than using one or the other then?
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2015 20:34:14 GMT
They did a mixture of bolth methods for the Claws of Axos and Inferno special editions. IF you have both DVD versions you can see how much sharper and brighter Inferno looks in the Special Eddion DVD. . . Bring on Colony in Space and The Silurians SE's
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 16, 2015 23:21:30 GMT
Mmmm, if we really have come to the end, (The Crusade not withstanding), and we take at face value the willingness to animate episodes 1 and 4 of the Underwater Menace, perhaps consideration will then be given to some sort of standalone reconstruction of The Faceless Ones and The Wheel In Space despite more than 2 episodes being missing. On the face of it, Wheel would be the simplest to do with 2 blocks of animation replacing episodes 1,2 and 4,5. The Faceless Ones would be more difficult to structure with episodes 2 and 4,5,6 giving a more uneven distribution, but I am in no doubt that it could be made to work, either by animating the whole lot or, by condensing the missing material, either way it would be great to have some more Pat on the shelf. Let's hope anyway. Oh & when the nay sayers say it can't be done in a condensed form, it already has. Ice Warriors VHS Episodes 2 & 3 recon anyone?
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Post by lousingh on Jan 17, 2015 2:15:55 GMT
Terror of the Autons was recorded in 4 part episode format from WTTW 11 in Chicago there is FESTIVILE 77 logo on the front of episode 1 on the tape. . . . The Ambassadors of Death was from WNED 17 in Buffalo New York. There are WNED opening on the beginning of a few of the episodes that clearly show the station ID The 6 minute clip of The Mind of Evil was also from WTTW in Chicago. The Daemons was from an omnibus broadcast on KCET in Los Angeles. TV Ontario did not broadcast Terror of the Autons or The Ambassadors of Death as they were no longer available in color by the time TV Ontario started airing Dr. Who. I have no idea what the origional broadcaster of the color copy of The Silurians was. . . The copy of Terror of the Autons that a friend of mine has was is the one you describe. The one from the Who Party cons has one thing before episode 1 that quite clearly labels it as Channel 17 - an advertisement for a simulcast of the NHL All-Star Game (can't recall the year; I just recall the lack of commercials)*. I fell back into my chair when I saw the NHL ASG advert and stared at it rather dumbly. My copy of Ambassadors is from Buffalo. The guy in Toronto claimed his is from TVO in 1987. I never did the research before, but I just looked it up - that ****ing bastard lied to me. His is probably a version from the Buffalo copy - especially since I know his copy of Terror of the Autons is from Channel 17.. The full version of The Mind of Evil I saw in in Columbus, Ohio in, I think, 1985 - the source was allegedly from Vancouver. The copy of Doctor Who and The Silurians that I have is reportedly from Chicago. There is another one from, I believe, LA. There are two versions of The Daemons that I know of: an omnibus version from LA which is missing a scene from episode four and a full omnibus version whose origin I don't know. I have no idea where the BBC's versions came from. * The game was being broadcast on tape delay in the US but live from Canada. WNED took the Canadian feed.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 17, 2015 2:51:54 GMT
I have heard that there were two different recordings of The Daemons, the one I have is from 1976 or 1977 and has the bicentennial red white and blue color logo from KCET at the time. It has a break after episode 3 with a blue clock on the screen and they talk about an up coming repeat of the TV series The Prisoner.
The Mind of Evil was re syndicated in black and white (and a very poor copy it was) starting in 1983 or 1984. There was a "camera" copy of that story making the rounds in the USA before that along with other "camera copy's of "Spearhead from Space", "Carnival of Monsters" (both from the ABC in Australia). By 1984 there were copies of all the Pertwee episodes going rounds in the USA in various quality from various sauces.
For Example TV Ontario did not broadcast "Frontier in Space" but I had me a color PAL copy before it got shown officially in the USA that came from a repeat on the ABC. Eventually Planet of the Daleks and Invasion of the Dinosaurs started to do the fan circles in there proper 6 part forum whilst the USA versions had the 5 part version.
There are no doubt more than one version of some of these story's as WNED in Buffalo, WTTW in Chicago and KCET in Los Angeles broadcast the series. As a kid in 1975-76 KCET broadcast it in episode format until in 1976 and 1977 when the repeated a few as movie versions on a Saturday afternoon
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Post by stephenwit1 on Jan 17, 2015 19:43:53 GMT
I have ICE WARRIORS on VHS. The video tape I recorded on tv was DEATH TO THE DALEKS. I sold a lot of my VHS copies and then I bought a bunch more before HOLLYWOOD VIDEO was getting rid of their VHS tapes so they can put more DVD's in it's place. Unfortunately they never had DOCTOR WHO on DVD.
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Post by andyc on Jan 17, 2015 21:59:57 GMT
I have ICE WARRIORS on VHS. Which episodes of IW do you have on VHS?
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