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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 10, 2015 11:49:40 GMT
'Invasion of the dinosaurs' episode 1 was wiped by accident as technicians thought it was an episode of the Troughton 'Invasion' story which had been released by then. I'm not sure why your repeating such long discredited fiction. I assume then that everything else you wrote (which is difficult to read in such large blocks of text) is also likely not true.
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 10, 2015 13:21:29 GMT
'Invasion of the dinosaurs' episode 1 was wiped by accident as technicians thought it was an episode of the Troughton 'Invasion' story which had been released by then. I'm not sure why your repeating such long discredited fiction. I assume then that everything else you wrote (which is difficult to read in such large blocks of text) is also likely not true. That was my thought that it was a long bebunked fan myth.
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Mar 10, 2015 14:55:00 GMT
Seem to recall reading that the 1967 broadcast was from 405 line V/T and that for the c June ( ? ) 1968 repeat the tapes were copied over to 625 line? The opening was apparently re edited to accommodate the recap from the end of 'wheel in space'. That all may be wrong but it's what I read 9some time ago). BBC One was still transmitting in 405 lines in 1968 so there's no real reason they would have needed to make 625 line copies. Wiped states that the original tapes were used for the repeat, including episode one which simply had some dialogue from Patrick Troughton dubbed over the opening scene (there was no re-edit as such). BTW, as mentioned earlier, paragraphs would make your post much easier to read.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 10, 2015 15:20:28 GMT
That is indeed the case. The transmission documentation shows that the repeat was done from exactly the same set of 405-line transmission masters as the original. In all probability, that means that the voiceover for the start of the episode (made during the recording of Episode 3 of 'The Dominators') was likely fed in live as the episode was transmitted.
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Post by Ken Jacowitz on Mar 11, 2015 20:20:26 GMT
Seems to me Terry Nation must have brought several possible now missing Dalek episodes to America when in the mid-60's he tried to sell a Dalek spinoff.
Late 1966 Terry Nation approached the BBC about a spinoff, The Destroyers, centering around a space military force fighting the Daleks. When the BBC passed, Terry Nation held meetings in America, also without success.
But he had to show whomever he pitched to in America some episodes. Whatever happened to these episodes?
Ironically, the worst enemy the Daleks ever had may instead of being the Doctor have been Terry Nation.
The BBC reacted to Terry Nation trying to sell a Dalek spin off to America by retiring the Daleks as Who characters. They would not be used again for five seasons, 4 1/2 years. From Evil July 1967 of the Daleks to Day of the Daleks January 1972. Worse, some Dalek stories were not syndicated overseas during this period. If they had been syndicated, more prints would have been struck, and more prints could have more have meant more surviving episodes.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 11, 2015 21:54:38 GMT
Seems to me Terry Nation must have brought several possible now missing Dalek episodes to America when in the mid-60's he tried to sell a Dalek spinoff. Late 1966 Terry Nation approached the BBC about a spinoff, The Destroyers, centering around a space military force fighting the Daleks. When the BBC passed, Terry Nation held meetings in America, also without success. But he had to show whomever he pitched to in America some episodes. Whatever happened to these episodes? I think you might have slightly misunderstood the chain of events here. Nation's idea for a Dalek series was one that was going to be made jointly with the BBC, so they weren't ever looking for a US producer, only a buyer. As such, they didn't require any Doctor Who/Dalek episodes to show the US networks. Terry Nation and Fred Alper's plan was to use the completed colour pilot to try to get a American stations interested in the idea. And don't forget, the two Dalek feature films had also been distributed in the US prior to this, so there had already been some exposure Stateside to the creatures. Of course, the BBC eventually pulled out of the co-production deal, but that was at the very last minute, so the whole thing collapsed before there was anything to show the network buyers. Even if theoretically, they had wanted to show a potential buyer that Daleks in action, then Nation via his agent, Associated London Scripts, had previously purchased four episodes of 'The Dalek Invasion of Earth', so they could have used those. That had nothing to do with the BBC and everything to do with Terry Nation. It was his choice and that of his agent, Beryl Vertue, to withdraw the rights to the Daleks from the BBC, which not only truncated sales but also forced BBC Enterprises to have to terminate some valuable licensing deals early. For instance, the likes of Wall's, who had only just started their Sky Ray Doctor Who/Daleks promotion, were not at all impressed when told that their licence was going to have to stop at the end of 1967.
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Post by Steve Hamilton on Mar 12, 2015 19:21:29 GMT
Not sure of the timings here, but would rights withdrawal have been Terry Nation's revenge for the BBC pulling out of the Dalek series?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 12, 2015 22:56:34 GMT
Not sure of the timings here, but would rights withdrawal have been Terry Nation's revenge for the BBC pulling out of the Dalek series? No, he was doing that anyway. He wanted the focus to be on them in their own series, not as an occasional enemy for the Doctor.
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 13, 2015 12:33:56 GMT
Also as Dalekmania had died down by 1967 & mabye the BBC has decided the Daleks needed resting. Peter Purvis did mention in an interview that the Daleks seemed a bit boring by the time The Masterplan was made.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 21, 2015 12:52:11 GMT
'Invasion of the dinosaurs' episode 1 was wiped by accident as technicians thought it was an episode of the Troughton 'Invasion' story which had been released by then. I'm not sure why your repeating such long discredited fiction. I assume then that everything else you wrote (which is difficult to read in such large blocks of text) is also likely not true. Because I didn't know otherwise. That was actually widely published as being the case at the time I read it and just trying to be helpful. So what really happened can you fill in? Apologies for any incorrect info and the block text.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 21, 2015 12:54:30 GMT
P.S. the info I got from Mick Hall would have been held to be true at that time. It may be out of date now but Mick was a very reliable source and well respected.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 21, 2015 12:57:11 GMT
To verify Mick was the source for info re the Technicians trim type footage from Evil.
The topic was raised previously on the forum and someone came forward and said it was related to Micheal John Harris from the BBC design dept.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Mar 21, 2015 17:35:11 GMT
I'm not sure why your repeating such long discredited fiction. I assume then that everything else you wrote (which is difficult to read in such large blocks of text) is also likely not true. Because I didn't know otherwise. That was actually widely published as being the case at the time I read it and just trying to be helpful. So what really happened can you fill in? Apologies for any incorrect info and the block text. Given how many times it's been discussed in this forum, and how prolific your posts are, I'm surprised you hadn't read about this previously. I believe it's covered in Wiped. Though personally ... I don't recall anyone has ever provided any conclusive evidence it ever came back from Cardiff. I've previously in jest suggested that someone check the British Rail lost property office in Paddington station.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 22, 2015 15:02:54 GMT
OK thanks for that. I probably haven't checked the Dr who part of the forum for a while.
I think the 405 to 625 line transfer story was in one of the paperbacks that were sold in Forbidden planet on Dr Who. A lot of misconceptions make their way into professional print. There was stuff published in the Dr Who magazine in the 80s that implied the early episodes were live and not pre - taped.
I knew that one was wrong the minute I read it.
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Post by johnstewart on Mar 22, 2015 15:07:02 GMT
Yes checked it's also on wikipedia.
So in fact instructions were given to wipe it all and the 5 surviving tapes were an error.
Sorry to all for any misinformation.
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