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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 27, 2014 10:23:07 GMT
Sad news indeed, As a Hibs supporter I used to enjoy his football analysis and commentaries (especially when he coined the phrase ("what a STRAMASH")and his choice of jackets were the stuff of legend.
R.I.P. Mr Montford
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:03:16 GMT
very sad news indeed William. He mentions the attendance as 91,708, what a crowd hey. Arthur was a familiar face and voice to us South of the Border
too, I remember him with fondness and affection.
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 27, 2014 11:21:44 GMT
Hi Simon, what a crowd indeed, and don't forget that was only a "Friendly!" Jeezo! take a look at the attendances below and you get an idea of the Golden era of football attendances, the biggest football crowd I was in was Hibernian vs Celtic 1972 106,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_football_attendance_recordsbut what about Scotland vs England at Hampden Park in 1937 149,000 !!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:49:14 GMT
Hi Simon, what a crowd indeed, and don't forget that was only a "Friendly!" Jeezo! take a look at the attendances below and you get an idea of the Golden era of football attendances, the biggest football crowd I was in was Hibernian vs Celtic 1972 106,000 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_football_attendance_recordsbut what about Scotland vs England at Hampden Park in 1937 149,000 !!!!!!! remarkable William! I take my hat off to you, Cap-it-al! Priceless, the atmosphere at those games must have been something else!  |
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Post by Patrick Coles on Nov 27, 2014 13:06:12 GMT
Oh a shame another TOP footy guy has heard the final whistle !
Arthur was for us down here in England the 'Scottish Brian Moore' ! - he was a cool calm assessor of Scottish football teams who gave a very well measured report on events north of the border in the football world, a fine ambassador for his country he sounded so knowledgable about Football in general and for us English was something of an 'authority on Scottish football'
If Arthur said; "Aberdeen could well surprise Rangers this afternoon"...you were in no doubt they would !
his commentaries were precise accurate and measured, plus he added those charming Scottish phrases of his own (as mentioned above)
Arthur was very much the 'voice' of Scottish football to us and he was often featured on ITV's 'On The Ball' plus 'The Big Match' when a top Scottish fixture was also previewed or featured (I heard him on a 'Big Match Revisited' a while back doing a Rangers v Aberdeen game from the early seventies)
Arthur Montford for me easily ranks alongside Brian Moore, Hugh Johns, (ITV), John Motson, David Coleman & Kenneth Wolstenholme (BBC) as one of the 'true greats' of TV Football commentators - guys you felt REALLY knew, understood, & LOVED the game (they make the current bunch who can't even pronounce famous grounds names properly - Wem-BER-ley or the Berna Bayooo !!! etc -look so poor now !!)
These were classic 'men of the game' just like say; Bill McClaren (Rugby), Eddie Waring (Rugby League), & Brian Johnston (Cricket) etc
At least Arthur's cool measured authorative Scottish accented tones will live on via the recordings of the many classic games he commentated on...!
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Post by williammcgregor on Nov 27, 2014 14:34:41 GMT
Nice words Patrick!
I did'nt realise that Scottish Football was covered to that extent in England
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 15:01:31 GMT
Oh a shame another TOP footy guy has heard the final whistle ! Arthur was for us down here in England the 'Scottish Brian Moore' ! - he was a cool calm assessor of Scottish football teams who gave a very well measured report on events north of the border in the football world, a fine ambassador for his country he sounded so knowledgable about Football in general and for us English was something of an 'authority on Scottish football' If Arthur said; "Aberdeen could well surprise Rangers this afternoon"...you were in no doubt they would ! his commentaries were precise accurate and measured, plus he added those charming Scottish phrases of his own (as mentioned above) Arthur was very much the 'voice' of Scottish football to us and he was often featured on ITV's 'On The Ball' plus 'The Big Match' when a top Scottish fixture was also previewed or featured (I heard him on a 'Big Match Revisited' a while back doing a Rangers v Aberdeen game from the early seventies) Arthur Montford for me easily ranks alongside Brian Moore, Hugh Johns, (ITV), John Motson, David Coleman & Kenneth Wolstenholme (BBC) as one of the 'true greats' of TV Football commentators - guys you felt REALLY knew, understood, & LOVED the game (they make the current bunch who can't even pronounce famous grounds names properly - Wem-BER-ley or the Berna Bayooo !!! etc -look so poor now !!) These were classic 'men of the game' just like say; Bill McClaren (Rugby), Eddie Waring (Rugby League), & Brian Johnston (Cricket) etc At least Arthur's cool measured authorative Scottish accented tones will live on via the recordings of the many classic games he commentated on...! A fitting tribute Patrick, proves I wasn't exaggerating the extent to which he was known down here in England. A master of his craft. |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 27, 2014 20:27:23 GMT
I spproached Arthur a few years ago when researching a book and he really was very enthusiastic and could not have been more helpful.
A true legend of Scottish broadcasting and at one time one of the most famous people in the country.
The news did not come as a complete surprise as I did hear from his daughter earlier this year that he was not keeping too well.
Lets be honest we all criticise sports commentators then say how great they were when they are no longer behind the micrpohone.
Messrs Montford and MacPherson had more than their share of critics at the time and Coleman and Moore were not too popular north of the border.
Now I really appreciate just what top commentators they all were.
I suspect we shall look back on John Motson in a similar light in the not too distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 20:10:26 GMT
I spproached Arthur a few years ago when researching a book and he really was very enthusiastic and could not have been more helpful. A true legend of Scottish broadcasting and at one time one of the most famous people in the country. The news did not come as a complete surprise as I did hear from his daughter earlier this year that he was not keeping too well. Lets be honest we all criticise sports commentators then say how great they were when they are no longer behind the micrpohone. Messrs Montford and MacPherson had more than their share of critics at the time and Coleman and Moore were not too popular north of the border. Now I really appreciate just what top commentators they all were. I suspect we shall look back on John Motson in a similar light in the not too distant future. Ronnie you mentioned MacPherson, is the following the MacPherson you are referring too please..nb this is not missing from Archive www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2kuouPV_Fk |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 28, 2014 20:48:11 GMT
Yes that particular edition of Sprotsreel has been doing the rounds for years Simon.
Its amazing how much they packed into the thirty minutes and you can see the presenters rushing through it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 19:55:31 GMT
Yes that particular edition of Sprotsreel has been doing the rounds for years Simon. Its amazing how much they packed into the thirty minutes and you can see the presenters rushing through it! Going back to Arthur Montford, it says on Wiki that he joined Scottish Television as a continuity announcer in August 1957, does any footage of him exist in that capacity, or is it all Missing. 18/9/57 saw the start of Scotsport..originally titled Sports Desk, are all editions of it as Sports Desk missing? Arthur as a presenter of Sports Desk/Scotsport was a tenure of 32 years 1957 -1989...quite remarkable..he presented over 2000 editions. |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 29, 2014 21:33:05 GMT
No editions of Sports Desk survive mainly because the programmes went out live and there was no reason to record them.
Equally few Scotsports survive complete for the same reason although many of the inserts including edited highlights of matches and some pre recoreded feautures are in the STV library.
The earliest archived Scotspport comes from 1961 and feautures Dunfermlines Scottish Cup replay win over Celtic although I believe it is not quite complete with the opening credits missing.
Extracts from this show often appear in documentaries and featured in the regional news tributes to Arthur last week.
Including its Sports Desk days Scotsport still holds the record as the longest running sports programme in the world although its 51 year reign will be equalled by Match of the Day next year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:40:01 GMT
No editions of Sports Desk survive mainly because the programmes went out live and there was no reason to record them. Equally few Scotsports survive complete for the same reason although many of the inserts including edited highlights of matches and some pre recoreded feautures are in the STV library. The earliest archived Scotspport comes from 1961 and feautures Dunfermlines Scottish Cup replay win over Celtic although I believe it is not quite complete with the opening credits missing. Extracts from this show often appear in documentaries and featured in the regional news tributes to Arthur last week. Including its Sports Desk days Scotsport still holds the record as the longest running sports programme in the world although its 51 year reign will be equalled by Match of the Day next year. fantastic Ronnie, what a response, great to have you around, a mine of information. Do you know if any footage exists of Arthur as the continuity announcer, although these were seen and not heard ..right? |
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Nov 29, 2014 21:49:33 GMT
Yes there are a few examples mainly at the end of highlights when the programmes were presented from the grounds like the link at the top of this page.
Occasionally in the 1970s Scotsport went out under the title of Match Report in this format with no studio footage. There are similar links with another long standing Scotsport presenter Alex Cameron in existence.
I have also seen some unbroadcast outtakes of the live coverage of the 1982 Scottish Cup Final when Arthur is discussing how to introduce a newsflash from the Falklands War during the commercial break.
Everyone who worked with him says he was always in control and never panicked and the footage certainly backs this up!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 21:57:44 GMT
Yes there are a few examples mainly at the end of highlights when the programmes were presented from the grounds like the link at the top of this page. Occasionally in the 1970s Scotsport went out under the title of Match Report in this format with no studio footage. There are similar links with another long standing Scotsport presenter Alex Cameron in existence. I have also seen some unbroadcast outtakes of the live coverage of the 1982 Scottish Cup Final when Arthur is discussing how to introduce a newsflash from the Falklands War during the commercial break. Everyone who worked with him says he was always in control and never panicked and the footage certainly backs this up! thank you to William for starting this thread and to Ronnie who has provided some remarkable insights into Arthur Montford, a man of some measure, I am wondering if anything is actually Missing in terms of television programmes Arthur appeared on, even the 2 episodes of The Match aka The Big Match 11/4/70 and 12/4/70 made by LWT which also features Brian Moore, Jimmy Hill, Alex Cameron and Arthur exist/are held at the bfi.. |
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