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Post by John Green on Nov 26, 2014 17:26:24 GMT
On another thread,Nigel Lamb refers to the BBC's understandable attitude that they aren't interested in acquiring copies of bought-in series which were once shown on their channels.It's got me wondering how many of the original producers retain copies of lost shows.I'm fairly sure that the Bentine family/estate have 'The Bumblies' since two episodes were released on DVD,but what about those weird live-action 'Babars'? And the 1976 animated 'Count of Monte Cristo'? The Canadian RCMP series?
Has there ever been any attempt to contact likely companies?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 17:41:16 GMT
Well, as the BBC don't own 'em, there would no point in retrieving copies for their archive. There are a few instances of old series though where something was made independently for the BBC specifically (rather than simply bought in, which the thread title refers to). Which is probably what you meant?
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Post by John Green on Nov 26, 2014 17:56:32 GMT
Well, as the BBC didn't make 'em / don't own 'em, there would no point in retrieving copies for their archive. There are a few instances of old series though where something was made independently for the BBC specifically (rather than simply bought in, which the thread title refers to). Perhaps this is what you meant? Need I say that I'm out of my depth on this one-though I'm still interested in the answer! (I've added the "understandably" I meant to put in the first post. As a TV viewer in the 60s,it didn't matter to me that what I was enjoying was a film,rather than something made specifically for television.Some of my happiest memories are of watching the Carry Ons,and the Hope and Crosby 'Road' movies.Many films got into the TV top ten when they were first shown.They're part of TV history but not of made-for-TV. The BBC are interested in archiving,and potentially marketing,their own programmes,hence their attitude to the Hoffnungs.From our point of view,we want everything possible preserved.We've seen the horrible things that had happen to public-domain material,but I'm still surprised that Smallfilms and Gerry Anderson didn't keep copies of everything the worked so hard to produce.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 18:04:37 GMT
I know what you mean about TV being a stream of all sorts of things: dramas, ads, cinema films, US series, cartoons etc. But the sort of preservation you are talking about is the BFI's territory (i.e. for posterity / art's sake, regardless of whoever owns it) - not the BBC.
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 26, 2014 20:58:02 GMT
The BBC seem to have kept a lot of the Eric Thompson dubbed Magic Roundabouts, I did wonder what status these had rightswise.
I remember the first showing of a film on TV used to be a bit even until about 15 years ago.
A good preportion of home recorded video tapes bought from car boot sales seem to have films on from an early TV screening.
In the days when the pre-recorded tape were expensive it made sense to do this, especially when it could be years for a film to be shown on TV again.
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Post by John Green on Nov 26, 2014 21:06:41 GMT
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Post by Nigel Lamb on Dec 3, 2014 21:21:26 GMT
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Post by John Green on Dec 3, 2014 21:32:56 GMT
Interesting! "As seen on the BBC".Halas and Batchelor again.The people we hope have kept their 'Count of Monte Cristo' series,even if they don't mention it on their website... www.halasandbatchelor.co.uk/
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Post by Nigel Lamb on Dec 3, 2014 21:45:39 GMT
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Post by Nigel Lamb on Dec 3, 2014 21:47:22 GMT
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Dec 7, 2014 17:44:39 GMT
The Canadian RCMP series? There's what looks like all 39 episodes (or pretty close to it) of the 1959 R.C.M.P. series in the Canadian archives. Looking at their holdings, there is positives, negatives, dupe prints and likely both French and English soundtracks. It looks as though the production company (Crawley Films) sent their holdings to the archives, 30 years ago. It also looks like there are copies sent their by both CBC and SRC (Radio Canada). I'll go out on a limb and say nothing is missing, and it's in very safe hands.
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Post by John Green on Dec 7, 2014 19:17:18 GMT
The Canadian RCMP series? There's what looks like all 39 episodes (or pretty close to it) of the 1959 R.C.M.P. series in the Canadian archives. Looking at their holdings, there is positives, negatives, dupe prints and likely both French and English soundtracks. It looks as though the production company (Crawley Films) sent their holdings to the archives, 30 years ago. It also looks like there are copies sent their by both CBC and SRC (Radio Canada). I'll go out on a limb and say nothing is missing, and it's in very safe hands. Thanks,Nicholas.There have been posts to that effect for years,but I've never seen a link-I haven't tried searching the Canadian archives for years because it seemed such a chore.The keenest RCMPobelia collector I know wrongly believes-via people who should know-that only three or four exist.I'd love for this one to be sorted.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Dec 7, 2014 23:07:27 GMT
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Post by John Green on Dec 7, 2014 23:44:33 GMT
Thanks,Nicholas! I'm confused that it was a BBC/CBC/CNP co-production,but appears to have made a fortune for Crawley Films,the production company?
Now,if only they have a copy of that Adventures of Robin Hood episode which is only known with French (Canadian) titles!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Dec 8, 2014 1:26:15 GMT
Now,if only they have a copy of that Adventures of Robin Hood episode which is only known with French (Canadian) titles! No sign of any. There is a single "Adventures of Robin Hood" but looking at the collection it is in, I expect it's the 1938 Errol Flynn movie. Looking at the other series you mentioned. It's possible there a couple of the 1969 Babar's, but in French. But my understanding is that it's only the English that is missing. No sign of The Bumblies. Nor is there any sign of a 1975 animated version of the Count of Monte Cristo (I can't even find what this is) - though there is some episodes of a 1950 (or earlier?) radio version along with some episodes of a 1967 CBC television version; and a copy of the 1913 movie (which I can see is available at Amazon).
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