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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 19, 2014 13:24:05 GMT
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 19, 2014 14:20:57 GMT
The BFI have confirmed they have a ""poor quality VHS copy"" of this (the youtube is likely to be better than this).
They are currently following up a lead that the negative may exist in Belgium.
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Post by John Green on Nov 19, 2014 16:02:27 GMT
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Post by RWels on Nov 19, 2014 18:07:34 GMT
It's not 100% proof, but it'd certainly be reasonable to expect that the VHS goes back to an existing copy.
On the other hand, I've recently heard of a number of bootleg workprints where it's not certain at all if the source is still in existance. (Come to think about it that includes not just movies but a number of things from BBC studio tapes too.)
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Post by John Green on Nov 19, 2014 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by George D on Nov 19, 2014 23:35:33 GMT
its interesting how modern technology, which is the scourge of copywrite owners, has actually prevented much from being lost.
Many have recorded programs on videotape or digitally posting it online via youtube, etc not only ensured things exist, but also provided a resource where they could be located.
Comparing that to companies which shall remain nameless (and these are both usa and uk) who wanted to make sure they had the only copy for security reasons now have to admit that they may never be recovered.
Hopefully technology continues to lead to bigger and better recoveries.
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Post by Pete Morris on Nov 20, 2014 1:08:39 GMT
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Post by John Green on Nov 20, 2014 1:20:41 GMT
Nice quality clips,too,Pete.Uploaded a year ago,and no comments!
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Post by RWels on Nov 20, 2014 8:34:57 GMT
Yes, I saw that too - the bad reviews I mean. But it seems we're too late: www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/bfi-news/bfi-most-wanted-our-discoveries-so-farThe good news is that we have made some real rediscoveries. The first film which came to us was the most recent title on the list: Where Is Parsifal?, made in 1983. Director Henri Helman kindly donated his personal 35mm print, with French subtitles, to be preserved in the archive. Even so, it was well spotted and might just as well have been the only lead. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 9, 2015 13:35:41 GMT
I'm still amazed that 'Symptoms' is on the list.
It defies logic - one of the supposed ten most lost British films of all time is available in full to watch for free on youtube, and available (I'm told) on the collector's market?
That is not a lost film to my eyes. Something I can watch is not a lost film.
A lost film is something that there is not a copy of.
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Post by RWels on Apr 9, 2015 13:40:20 GMT
I'm still amazed that 'Symptoms' is on the list. It defies logic - one of the supposed ten most lost British films of all time is available in full to watch for free on youtube, and available (I'm told) on the collector's market? That is not a lost film to my eyes. Something I can watch is not a lost film. A lost film is something that there is not a copy of. Was in on youtube when they posted the list? I don't think they update it; it was a one-time thing. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 9, 2015 13:55:52 GMT
They are MEANT to update it....the official line is:- ""....we have had scores of emails and letters from film enthusiasts reporting sightings of the films and offering material. Many members of the public sent emails along the lines of “That film isn’t missing, I’ve got it on DVD!” However, while it’s great to know that a film has survived on tape or DVD, this doesn’t mean it’s out of danger. Many such bootleg copies derive from television screenings here or abroad; the film will have been transmitted from a tape format, meaning the film material it originally came from could be long gone.""
When Kaleidoscope put something on lostshows.com they will say, for example:- ""The only known complete copy was recorded on a domestic video format (e.g. VHS, Beta, Philips 1500)"", and then follow that with, at the bottom of the page, if shows exist in a lower grade format ""none are missing or incomplete, but 2 episodes exist on formats inferior to the original."", or similar.
The point is, they are looking for masters.
The 'Top 75' should be films where the complete film does not exist on any format.
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Post by John Green on Feb 4, 2016 13:51:13 GMT
I'm still amazed that 'Symptoms' is on the list. It defies logic - one of the supposed ten most lost British films of all time is available in full to watch for free on youtube, and available (I'm told) on the collector's market? That is not a lost film to my eyes. Something I can watch is not a lost film. A lost film is something that there is not a copy of. Coming soon from the BFI! Last but not least is a title which has been rescued from the BFI’s ‘Most Wanted’ list (the record of important British feature films that are considered lost) after the recent discovery of the original negative: José Ramón Larraz’s dark and disturbing Symptoms (1974). Britain’s official Palme d’Or entry at the 1974 Cannes Film Festival, the film was given the briefest of theatrical releases, but aside from a screening on British television in the early 80s it disappeared into obscurity. The BFI’s Flipside release presents the film in a stunning new restoration along with a wealth of essential extra features, including new interviews with its stars Angela Pleasence and Lorna Heilbron, and is being produced in collaboration with the great US label Mondo Macabro. www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/announcements/bfi-dvd-blu-ray-releases-announced-april-june-2016 Well,Ray posted: The BFI have confirmed they have a ""poor quality VHS copy"" of this.... They are currently following up a lead that the negative may exist in Belgium. Could this thread be moved to The Nexus? |
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