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Post by johnforbes on Oct 28, 2014 7:26:44 GMT
Is PM's search for old Who still ongoing ? (can't be many places to check tbh since he first started) I remember his hardly able to keep a straight face interview last year giving many people hope, but unless I've missed something there's been not a word to definitively say "it's finished".
Then there's the apparent lack of will from the BBC to officially release the only recovered episode that they've not yet done so far (the UM one). (It's been what, over 3 years since it was recovered). No matter what it would be released on, there'd be a number of people willing to buy it just for that episode. Gives the impression that the beeb know something we don't.
As ever with old Who, more questions than answers.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 28, 2014 8:50:10 GMT
Is PM's search for old Who still ongoing ? (can't be many places to check tbh since he first started) I remember his hardly able to keep a straight face interview last year giving many people hope, but unless I've missed something there's been not a word to definitively say "it's finished". Then there's the apparent lack of will from the BBC to officially release the only recovered episode that they've not yet done so far (the UM one). (It's been what, over 3 years since it was recovered). No matter what it would be released on, there'd be a number of people willing to buy it just for that episode. Gives the impression that the beeb know something we don't. As ever with old Who, more questions than answers. I would hope something in March with the Launch of the Video Player service. Thing is this if they released U/M with animation, or As they did with Web 3 then that would basically say which way the wind did blow Maybe they don't want people making a super giant rumour if they did release it either way ? So until they are ready i guess we wait. I think no more ground can be covered on this issue until Menace is released in one form or another.............
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 28, 2014 10:01:15 GMT
As I said on another thread. It's not through lack of will, it would be lack of sales to make a profit and that is what Worldwide are there for. Yes, fans would buy it, but that would be a tiny amount of units sold Vs costs to produce. The general public would not buy it at all. An incomplete, B&W, 1960's TV show would sit on the shelves unloved and untouched. Better to put it out on I-player or whatever platforms they can. At least it would make some return as part of a package.
Alan
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Post by mattplace on Oct 28, 2014 11:07:21 GMT
Maybe they don't want people making a super giant rumour if they did release it either way ? So until they are ready i guess we wait. I think no more ground can be covered on this issue until Menace is released in one form or another............. I think that no matter what they do there will be "super giant rumours" made..... release or no release..
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 28, 2014 12:48:52 GMT
Maybe they don't want people making a super giant rumour if they did release it either way ? So until they are ready i guess we wait. I think no more ground can be covered on this issue until Menace is released in one form or another............. I think that no matter what they do there will be "super giant rumours" made..... release or no release.. True i guess.............. But if it were released in one form or another you can guess what would follow........... Thanks for the Quote
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Post by D. Frame on Oct 28, 2014 19:01:01 GMT
I would think if your job is organising and saving material from archives around the world. That kind of access would effectively mean your search would never end. I'm trying to imagine how many television stations there are. How many might need help. How many might have changed hands over the years their archives held by heaven know who. This is just my mind tootling around. Someone with actual knowledge could be having a good laugh at the thickie. Anyway the goon show is just starting so I'm away.
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Post by John W King on Oct 28, 2014 23:07:56 GMT
Whilst I take on board the need for Bbc Worldwide to make a profit that argument doesn't stand up when you look at what has recently been released on DVD. What is likely to sell more - Underwater Menace plus animation or the 1960's Count of Monte Cristo, Wednesday Play the Red Shift, or the expensive box set of b and w Out of the Unknown (incomplete)? These have all been released on Dvd in the past few months. I could add random episodes of Z Cars, Dixon of Dock Green and series 1 and 2 of Doctor Finlay (series 2 is in complete,) Also the only surviving episodes of the Marriage Lines and Not in Front of the Children. These last 2 comedy series have sizeable numbers of episodes missing which makes their series continuity jump and not make much sense - particularly the Marrige Lines where a whole series is missing meaning the Starlings go suddenly from being newly wed in a flat to having a baby and living in a house. No animations here nor any explanation as to what has happened in the missing episodes. so why no Underwater Menace on DVD? It really makes no sense. Why waste money restoring an ep isode and then not releasing it?
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Post by johnforbes on Oct 29, 2014 7:36:45 GMT
As I said on another thread. It's not through lack of will, it would be lack of sales to make a profit and that is what Worldwide are there for. Yes, fans would buy it, but that would be a tiny amount of units sold Vs costs to produce. The general public would not buy it at all. An incomplete, B&W, 1960's TV show would sit on the shelves unloved and untouched. Better to put it out on I-player or whatever platforms they can. At least it would make some return as part of a package. Alan Worldwide don't actually have to do anything special whatsoever with that unreleased ep of UM to "make a profit". They could arguably, simply slap it on any given "new" Who series DVD release as an "extra". Zero monetary outlay, and the extra sales generated by people buying the DVD just for that one ep are pure profit. My own personal opinion here, but I have for some time had the sneaking suspicion that as far as Old Who goes, Auntie and PM have had a falling out somewhere down the line. (Which wouldn't be surprising given all the in some quarters unwanted attention/intrusion the leaked returns gave to PM).
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 29, 2014 8:55:01 GMT
As I said on another thread. It's not through lack of will, it would be lack of sales to make a profit and that is what Worldwide are there for. Yes, fans would buy it, but that would be a tiny amount of units sold Vs costs to produce. The general public would not buy it at all. An incomplete, B&W, 1960's TV show would sit on the shelves unloved and untouched. Better to put it out on I-player or whatever platforms they can. At least it would make some return as part of a package. Alan Worldwide don't actually have to do anything special whatsoever with that unreleased ep of UM to "make a profit". They could arguably, simply slap it on any given "new" Who series DVD release as an "extra". Zero monetary outlay, and the extra sales generated by people buying the DVD just for that one ep are pure profit. My own personal opinion here, but I have for some time had the sneaking suspicion that as far as Old Who goes, Auntie and PM have had a falling out somewhere down the line. (Which wouldn't be surprising given all the in some quarters unwanted attention/intrusion the leaked returns gave to PM). Agree john. Galaxy Four was put on the Aztecs ! So there is no real reason at all it cant go on a special Edition of a Hartnell........... And i feel cash is at the heart of things, alway's is in life ..............
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 29, 2014 10:01:37 GMT
I think my point still stands. The releases you mention John, whilst having many episodes missing, the stories they have released are complete self-contained stories. So with Out Of the Unknown, for example, it doesn't even matter what order you watch them in. As for the comidies, there may be progression throughout, but you can watch one episode and have a resolution. With Underwater Menace you have only half a story. And yes, fans would buy it, but it's a very, very small market. So, I think that there would be a bigger market for complete things. Of course the other problem is the X-Factor, short attention span generation. Boring old Black and white! Maybe they could put them out on a new series release, but I get the impression rights issues don't allow the two to mix, hence the shortening of the behind the scene shows. And Big Finish are unable, as far as I know, to use things from the current era. My thought is that they do not want to 'cross pollinate the new series'.
As for the possibility of 'falling out'. I think it's a couple of things. The BBC can be still an enormously slow moving machine and I would have thought if their remit still stands, the main push is to make new programmes. Archive, even if they make a little money is a much lower priority, even more so now with the cuts they've been forced to make.
Alan
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 29, 2014 10:32:12 GMT
I think my point still stands. The releases you mention John, whilst having many episodes missing, the stories they have released are complete self-contained stories. So with Out Of the Unknown, for example, it doesn't even matter what order you watch them in. As for the comidies, there may be progression throughout, but you can watch one episode and have a resolution. With Underwater Menace you have only half a story. And yes, fans would buy it, but it's a very, very small market. So, I think that there would be a bigger market for complete things. Of course the other problem is the X-Factor, short attention span generation. Boring old Black and white! Maybe they could put them out on a new series release, but I get the impression rights issues don't allow the two to mix, hence the shortening of the behind the scene shows. And Big Finish are unable, as far as I know, to use things from the current era. My thought is that they do not want to 'cross pollinate the new series'. As for the possibility of 'falling out'. I think it's a couple of things. The BBC can be still an enormously slow moving machine and I would have thought if their remit still stands, the main push is to make new programmes. Archive, even if they make a little money is a much lower priority, even more so now with the cuts they've been forced to make. Alan Agree to a point, but the revenue generated from I - Tunes and dvd sales would cover recovery costs surely. Even if the bbc made ZILCH from it it would still be back in the archives
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 29, 2014 11:06:30 GMT
I think PM has been busy setting / controlling expectations over the last year. I don't honestly think he would bother unless something was going to happen.
Richard
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 29, 2014 11:49:30 GMT
IF the rumours are true that there were 10,000 cans of film, them it must be a mammoth task to go through everything. Just listing what each can says is in it would take a while. Then the checking, stabalising, assessing each one. And I assume that each can would be listed in a priority for restoration/recovery. With that amount, it must take a couple of years minimum to get through all that. And if there are Who episodes which are in a fairly ok condition they would maybe last in the queue. Then you have all the red tape.................
But that's just my take on rumours of possible recoveries. IF the rumours are true.
Alan
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Post by stephenwit1 on Oct 30, 2014 18:14:26 GMT
I think it would be more profitable if they put UNDERWATER MENACE in their video service then put it on a dvd.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Oct 30, 2014 18:21:51 GMT
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