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Post by Stephen Byers on Oct 17, 2014 9:09:39 GMT
As an aside - in our search for lost BBC radio programmes (not Dr.Who) - there is one source overseas who has acknowledged that he has reel-reel tapes of the programmes that we are seeking. However he keeps giving us excuses as to why we cannot have access to them. This has been going on for over 10 years. We cannot do anything. It is likely that the said tapes are steadily deteriorating currently in t-chests in a damp garage. They are over 50 years' old. We understand that he is under the impression that the BBC will actually pay for the return of their programmes. Some hope. This might be the debacle of the Marco Polo episodes - the owner might be under the impression that he has commercially valuable materiel that the Beeb will pay him for. Perhaps the reason for non-access is because he is hoaxing you and doesn't have anything - sound familiar? Actually he has sent us a list of what is on his recordings - the acts and the artistes etc. They tally with what we know. They also overlap what we have obtained from other sources. So we do believe him that he has the material. Its just that he is holding out on us. He genuinely thinks someone aka the Beeb are going to pay him for them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 9:45:01 GMT
Fair enough Stephen - I hope some more radio Hancocks Half Hour turn up one day particularly the Harry Secombe ones.
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Post by George D on Oct 17, 2014 10:06:54 GMT
He needs to be approached by some one who will Give him something for them. . Even if it's a bootleg tape dealer offering him a percentage of sales.
I wish the world was altruistuc but it's not.
I have noticed recently that the professions that should be about public service such as the medical and dental field Are all about the profit. So why should we expect it to be any less from those who do not share our passions?
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Post by johnbarbour on Oct 17, 2014 23:02:29 GMT
He needs to be approached by some one who will Give him something for them. . Even if it's a bootleg tape dealer offering him a percentage of sales. I wish the world was altruistuc but it's not. I have noticed recently that the professions that should be about public service such as the medical and dental field Are all about the profit. So why should we expect it to be any less from those who do not share our passions? I don't think that the doctors and nurses who have volunteered from the UK to help in ebola-affected countries are thinking about profit so the statement about profit is both generalised and grossly unfair to many NHS staff. Indeed if ebola gets a foothold here we shall be relying on these same people to risk their lives - doubt if us D who fans will volunteer to help. I'm as keen as anyone to recover missing Dr Who but we need to keep things in perspective.
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Post by George D on Oct 18, 2014 3:47:36 GMT
Sorry if my analogy has brought us off track. To clarify, my comment has been based on my recent experiences with many in the dental and health care professions recently in the usa. I agree that in an any group there are nice people and not nice people and I applaud those who go out of the way like those in ebola areas. I also azgree that health and healthcare is far more important than light entertainment and it wouldnt hurt my feelings if we decided as a society to go back to low budget shows, instead of the big business it has become. since i feel the majority are not interested in such deep topics, i'm back to dr who talk, but would be more than glad to share with you in private messages more
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Post by johnbarbour on Oct 18, 2014 9:51:43 GMT
Thanks for clarifying; I too have sometimes wandered off track so I'm not attempting to mount any moral high ground! I do agree that low budget fare (e.g. Quatermass, UFO and 60's Dr Who) were far more focussed on good story-telling than many current TV shows. And as for hoarders we had a much more robust attitude towards them in WWII (not that I was around then!) ... You would think that anyone holding onto old TV shows would eventually realise that the value of their hoards will be depreciating rapidly!
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Post by Greg H on Oct 18, 2014 9:56:55 GMT
I have noticed recently that the professions that should be about public service such as the medical and dental field Are all about the profit. So why should we expect it to be any less from those who do not share our passions? Traditionally there weren't about profit. They were, since the 1940s, about simply providing a service to the public (regardless of their income). It was only with the advent of the neo liberal economic model which infected British politics in the late 1970s (and is now prevalent in most of the political parties) that public sector services were viewed as a way to turn a profit for a tiny minority of people. As for Marco Polo, I don't think it is back. Sure I'd love to be proven wrong and all, but there is my opinion!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 18, 2014 16:11:06 GMT
There are a lot of missing episode hints in the curent series. Perhaps the most directly useful appears in 'Time Heist' where this message appears as part of the story. TECH 251 ORG 339 PV 253 was the number of Hartnell/Troughton episodes broadcast in the 1960s so 251 would be another way of saying 95 found. The gap between 251 and 339 is 88(a reference to the 90 rumour possibly) You can't possibly be serious? Please tell us you posted this absurd BS as joke ...
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Post by shellyharman67 on Oct 18, 2014 16:14:10 GMT
There are a lot of missing episode hints in the curent series. Perhaps the most directly useful appears in 'Time Heist' where this message appears as part of the story. TECH 251 ORG 339 PV 253 was the number of Hartnell/Troughton episodes broadcast in the 1960s so 251 would be another way of saying 95 found. The gap between 251 and 339 is 88(a reference to the 90 rumour possibly) You can't possibly be serious? Please tell us you posted this absurd BS as joke ... My NAN would of been 90 this year ! it's looking as though Old Mrs hubbard's cupboard is well and truly empty
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 19, 2014 8:28:14 GMT
Perhaps the reason for non-access is because he is hoaxing you and doesn't have anything - sound familiar? Actually he has sent us a list of what is on his recordings - the acts and the artistes etc. They tally with what we know. They also overlap what we have obtained from other sources. So we do believe him that he has the material. Its just that he is holding out on us. He genuinely thinks someone aka the Beeb are going to pay him for them. Stephen, I've sent you a PM about this. Do respond when you get a chance. Paul
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Post by stevehoare61 on Oct 19, 2014 9:20:09 GMT
Ohhhh, interesting that Paul has PM'd Stephen, all my little clogs are a whirring and a clicking, wondering why, lol....has Stephen said too much? I personally trust Paul Vanezis a great deal, despite that little situation with the Web/Enemy tapes last year and I do believe he generally tells us what he can and is allowed to, and I seem to remember reading somewhere, that is was on his advice that we got those two stories last year,because it was the 50th, which otherwise may still be sat, gathering dust somewhere. Surely to god, if there is this collector, expecting monies in return for these episodes that something could be done about it,,,cant Worldwide recompense him, it would be quite an investment. Do we know what he is asking for them? This has taken a bizarre turn...
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 19, 2014 13:26:20 GMT
Why would Worldwide have any interest in compensating someone for returning old radio recordings of little if any commercial value?
Surely a non-commercial arm of BBC would be of more use.
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Post by charles drummel on Oct 19, 2014 14:04:26 GMT
Ohhhh, interesting that Paul has PM'd Stephen, all my little clogs are a whirring and a clicking, wondering why, lol....has Stephen said too much? I personally trust Paul Vanezis a great deal, despite that little situation with the Web/Enemy tapes last year and I do believe he generally tells us what he can and is allowed to, and I seem to remember reading somewhere, that is was on his advice that we got those two stories last year,because it was the 50th, which otherwise may still be sat, gathering dust somewhere. Surely to god, if there is this collector, expecting monies in return for these episodes that something could be done about it,,,cant Worldwide recompense him, it would be quite an investment. Do we know what he is asking for them? This has taken a bizarre turn... You did catch that this was for BBC radio programmes? Sorry for assuming. The 'bizarre turn' part led me to believe you thought this was about Doctor Who. He also didn't 'say much' at all, nor was the post edited for sensitive material. I'm sure Paul just wanted to either hear more about it or fill Stephen in on something. It's a story I've actually heard before (here? I don't recall).
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Post by Stephen Byers on Oct 19, 2014 16:36:11 GMT
Actually he has sent us a list of what is on his recordings - the acts and the artistes etc. They tally with what we know. They also overlap what we have obtained from other sources. So we do believe him that he has the material. Its just that he is holding out on us. He genuinely thinks someone aka the Beeb are going to pay him for them. Stephen, I've sent you a PM about this. Do respond when you get a chance. Paul OK - but right now I am really bored due to being in bed for a week with the hackiest hacking cough you could imagine. My energy is drained. And talking ain't easy without triggering yet another coughing fit. Stay tuned.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Oct 20, 2014 6:20:46 GMT
No Charles, I hadnt realised....BUM........shouldve known better,(slaps himself)
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