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Post by johnnyharley on Sept 10, 2014 15:48:37 GMT
Underwater Menace episodes 2 & 3 on The Moonbase DVD? Sounds great! Now I wonder why The BBC didn't think of it?
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Sept 10, 2014 17:21:54 GMT
I would imagine that they did. But each release has a budget and a lot of the cost would have gone on the animation I would have thought.
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 11, 2014 16:37:08 GMT
It's this lack of release of Crusade and Menace that keeps people talking. No one knows the truth I suppose whilst it is commercially viable to animate two episodes of The Moonbase as it has Cybermen in it, less people apart from die hard fans would be interested in buying The Crusade "a boring historical with no monster in it" (not in my opinion of course) and a poorly regarded story like The Underwater Menace. It would have made more sense to put the two episodes of The Underwater Menace on The Moonbase DVD.
Actually they have offered an explanation for avoiding The Crusade, it is because the two episodes with a telesnap reconstruction is already available on the Lost in Time box set, so to get its own release it would need something significant to encourage the BBC to release it, this would either be one or both of the two missing episodes being recovered or animation (as has been the case for the other stories). However, there are "concerns" that if they animated a white actor using "black face" the PC-brigade will descend on them. Not the best of things to happen at the conclusion of your range. So until something comes back, we are stuck.
The Underwater Menace though is a mystery, so much so that even the people behind the DVD release haven't got a clue why it isn't coming out yet.
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Post by garysrothwellx on Sept 12, 2014 0:55:04 GMT
Crusade (again) - so all ok to release the live action version which clearly has a white actor with make up, compared to animation where this wouldn't even be noticeable? I remain bemused by this premise.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Sept 12, 2014 7:42:59 GMT
Crusade (again) - so all ok to release the live action version which clearly has a white actor with make up, compared to animation where this wouldn't even be noticeable? I remain bemused by this premise. We live in a pc world mate ! I see films every week on TV where white men have RED INDIAN paint on in classic Westerns
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Sept 12, 2014 11:25:03 GMT
Indeed it is a PC world. But what people have to remember is time and context. We cannot always compare attitudes of yesteryear with today's values. The Looney Tunes box sets have disclaimer stating that some of the cartoons will not be suitable for general viewing.In fact the first release had an introduction from Whoopi Goldberg talking about changing attitudes. I would much rather have that than the toons be edited or revised - like the Tom & Jerry ones have been.
We travel through time and do not always notice the changes as they are relatively slow. But when tou look at a TV show from back in the day - like the Sweeney for example - I cretainly found myself saying 'We wore clothes like that?!' But when I lived in those times it was the accepted culture/fashion of the time.
Alan
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Post by Richard Marple on Sept 12, 2014 12:24:01 GMT
I'm sometimes amused by watching things from just 10-15 years ago & noticing how much things have changed.
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Post by garysrothwellx on Sept 12, 2014 15:12:03 GMT
I find the double standards of TV vs film quite strange also. We accept old films with their historically questionable morals and attitudes - but TV has to be re-written?? I just find it odd that we are preceived as being unable to filter based on time.
And personally i loved 70's fashion!!!
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Post by shellyharman67 on Sept 12, 2014 17:59:57 GMT
I find the double standards of TV vs film quite strange also. We accept old films with their historically questionable morals and attitudes - but TV has to be re-written?? I just find it odd that we are preceived as being unable to filter based on time. And personally i loved 70's fashion!!! Agree gary. No one say's anything about old films that have the same issue ! Can you imagine love thy neighbour ever being shown again ?
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 12, 2014 19:38:38 GMT
No but they happily released it on DVD and Curry and Chips for that matter!
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Post by Mark P on Sept 12, 2014 22:03:36 GMT
Crusade (again) - so all ok to release the live action version which clearly has a white actor with make up, compared to animation where this wouldn't even be noticeable? I remain bemused by this premise. We live in a pc world mate ! I see films every week on TV where white men have RED INDIAN paint on in classic Westerns I avoid 'The Only Way Is Essex' every week on TV where white men look orange.
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Post by lousingh on Sept 13, 2014 0:04:12 GMT
Indeed it is a PC world. But what people have to remember is time and context. We cannot always compare attitudes of yesteryear with today's values. The Looney Tunes box sets have disclaimer stating that some of the cartoons will not be suitable for general viewing.In fact the first release had an introduction from Whoopi Goldberg talking about changing attitudes. I would much rather have that than the toons be edited or revised - like the Tom & Jerry ones have been. We travel through time and do not always notice the changes as they are relatively slow. But when tou look at a TV show from back in the day - like the Sweeney for example - I cretainly found myself saying 'We wore clothes like that?!' But when I lived in those times it was the accepted culture/fashion of the time. Alan I agree with this 100%. When I watch "The Crusade" (boot black face) or "The Moonbase" (sexism with Polly), I always try to keep in my mind what the standards were of the era. Otherwise, I would find it hard to watch these stories. Children of my friends and family find my ability to watch some of these stories or Looney Tunes / Merrie Melodies beyond their comprehension. I have to tell them one of the best quotes I have ever heard, although we were talking about the influence of the arts on culture: "You have to remember everything in context. Nothing truly exists outside its own era the way it did in its own era. Remember that 'Please Please Me' wasn't just novel - it was Earth-shattering." --- John Nathan-Turner, August 1985. The same applies from anything even 10 years ago. And you should see their reaction when I watch silent films with even more overt racism and sexism on display.
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Post by johnnyharley on Sept 13, 2014 7:43:19 GMT
Personally I prefer television from the sixties and seventies! And this PC rubbish that Blair started has been compared to the propaganda of Adolf Hitler in the past! JB
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Post by George D on Sept 13, 2014 13:56:53 GMT
Saying "In the last days they will call evil goodand good evil" May also be politically incorrect.
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Post by johnnyharley on Sept 13, 2014 18:24:53 GMT
They always have haven't they, Georgie Boy!
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