The Supremes: Royal Variety Performance 1968?

[Peter Prentice]

Is this missing? I don't recall seeing it before.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadaWkqOsK8&list=UUeWiSPNbtyKGm7bqtUR5S7Q

[Peter Prentice]

Scrub that one - it's not the Royal Variety. I should have listened to the clip before posting!

[Jeff Leach]

It would be interesting to know where the clip was filmed and for what show.

Whilst the 68 Royal Variety is listed as missing(seems strange when a few of the earlier ones survive)


Here's a shot from the show




Lost Shows : 24.11.68 with Diana Ross and The Supremes, Mike Yarwood, Michael Aspel, Petula Clark, Sacha Distel (missing)


I did just notice though there seems some confusion

For some reason Lost shows lists this show separately although the time period is correct at 51 years

THE ROYAL VARIETY PERFORMANCE (1960-2011)
Missing or incomplete episodes for programme THE ROYAL VARIETY PERFORMANCE.

14.11.65 with Arthur Haynes, Arthur Mullard, Dusty Springfield, The Dave Clark Five, Shirley Bassey (missing)
19.11.67 with Ken Dodd, Sandie Shaw, Dickie Henderson, Tommy Cooper, Lulu (missing)

Out of an original total of 27 episodes, 2 episodes are missing.

THE ROYAL VARIETY PERFORMANCE (1962-2010)
Missing or incomplete episodes for programme THE ROYAL VARIETY PERFORMANCE.

20.11.66 with The Bachelors, David Jacobs, Bal Caron Trio, Gilbert Bécaud, Sammy Davis Junior
One or more sequences exist, but the complete programme is lost.
24.11.68 with Diana Ross and The Supremes, Mike Yarwood, Michael Aspel, Petula Clark, Sacha Distel (missing)
Out of an original total of 24 episodes, one episode is missing and a further episode is incomplete.

[Jeff Leach]

But whats this



Pete and Dud from the 65 show

[Ken Griffin]

Jul 27, 2014 23:06:56 GMT Jeff Leach said:

But whats this

It's a clip from the London Palladium Show from 24/10/65. It's been knocking around for years: part of it was featured on UTV's 20th anniversary show Do You Remember? in 1980. And it's also available on one of the Network DVDs.

[Jeff Leach]

Thanks for the info Ken - Odd that it survives on its own unless there is more out there - would like to see the dusty Springfield track though

[Peter Stirling]

Jul 27, 2014 23:44:22 GMT Jeff Leach said:

Thanks for the info Ken - Odd that it survives on its own unless there is more out there - would like to see the dusty Springfield track though

If you like Dusty Springfield then the 1966 Hippodrome appearance is thought to have turned up in the US - in colour.

The Supremes were also in colour for the UK special 'Saturday Night Around the World' circa 67

[Jeff Leach]

I believe the Hippodrome show survives in colour in the US - indeed there was a thread about it a while ago when Reelin in the years uploaded a great quality, but logo plastered performance by the zombies from the show - the US dvd had all the music edited out for clearance reasons.

Ref the Royal Variety show - Would love to know why the earlier shows exist yet a 4 year block of shows from 1965 to 1968 are missing bar a few clips - (like the Pete and Dud excerpt)

[Phil Leach]

Jul 30, 2014 1:06:38 GMT Jeff Leach said:

I believe the Hippodrome show survives in colour in the US - indeed there was a thread about it a while ago when Reelin in the years uploaded a great quality, but logo plastered performance by the zombies from the show - the US dvd had all the music edited out for clearance reasons.

Ref the Royal Variety show - Would love to know why the earlier shows exist yet a 4 year block of shows from 1965 to 1968 are missing bar a few clips - (like the Pete and Dud excerpt)

But as mentioned earlier the Pete and Dud clip is not from the Royal Variety Performance it's from the London Palladium Show from a month earlier and has been released on DVD.

There are two entries on the Lost Shows database because the programme alternates between ITV and BBC and is therefore classed as two separate shows. ITV are the odd numbered years in the 1960s and BBC took the even numbered ones. ATV looked after it for ITV in the 1960s.

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Jul 30, 2014 1:06:38 GMT Jeff Leach said:

Would love to know why the earlier shows exist yet a 4 year block of shows from 1965 to 1968 are missing bar a few clips

It's odd but the mid - later part of the '60s has possibly more gaps in the archives than a few years before (talking about programmes generally here). The late '60s and the early years of colour are badly represented overall. I would say the '65 through to about 1971 era is particularly bad and only picks up a bit after that; a shame as it's one of the most interesting periods of time for TV and one I recall very well.

[Phil Leach]

Jul 30, 2014 11:50:05 GMT @laurencepiper said:

Jul 30, 2014 1:06:38 GMT Jeff Leach said:

Would love to know why the earlier shows exist yet a 4 year block of shows from 1965 to 1968 are missing bar a few clips

It's odd but the mid - later part of the '60s has possibly more gaps in the archives than a few years before (talking about programmes generally here). The late '60s and the early years of colour are badly represented overall. I would say the '65 through to about 1971 era is particularly bad and only picks up a bit after that; a shame as it's one of the most interesting periods of time for TV and one I recall very well.

It is indeed odd that the early broadcast examples were kept but then nothing for a few years. As for gaps in archives ATV is a good example as they've got a great selection of telerecordings but were terrible at keeping tapes. So when they stopped the film recording there are huge gaps in the archive for a few years before keeping VT became the norm. I'm thinking of the early 1970s and all those things like Hunter's Walk and Down the Gate and various 1970s variety programmes.

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Yes, ATV were awful at keeping VT all the way through although they retained huge amounts of sales t/rs! So it skews what survives in the late '60s / early '70s from the company. Others (like Granada and particularly the diligent Anglia) were better at keeping VT in the 1960s and beyond. The early colour years of BBC-2 (1967 to about 1971) are also poorly represented though (BBC-1 also when it first went colour), with a certain proportion of VT but quite a bit only surviving as b/w t/r, if at all. The early years for Thames (1968 - 71) are patchy, with notable gaps before things picked up around 1972. Yorkshire were much better from day one in 1968 with retaining VT, as were LWT (who were nevertheless a bit patchy for their first three years). All in all though, a sad pattern emerges.

[John Green]

This is the depressing Supremes list from Lostshows: www.lostshows.com/default.aspx?search=supremes

[Richard Marple]

I presume as early colour tape was expensive a lot of in was wiped & used again to keep costs down, unless it was something really worth keeping.

[Jeff Leach]

Jul 30, 2014 15:48:48 GMT John Green said:

This is the depressing Supremes list from Lostshows: www.lostshows.com/default.aspx?search=supremes

As others have said A TV shows have a terrible survival rate fronm the mid seventies just check out Marti Gaines early shows, Celebrity Squares, Wednesday at Eight etc.. I was glad that The Squirrels had as many existing as they were right in the middle of the dark period.