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Post by Ed Brown on Jul 25, 2014 0:02:48 GMT
I think the VHS of Revenge that has the introduction by Tom is the rental version that would have been found in the Blockbusters of their day. Have seen one sold on Ebay for over £100!!! The original bookcase version has sold for around £250 in the past. Even with a damaged case. My recollection is that, as far as I can recall, one of the problems with the original library case release of 'Revenge of the Cybermen' was that it only had hissy edge-track audio, i.e. it did not have a Hi-Fi audio track. If it's now a hot item on ebay, I'm sorry that I gave away mine when the re-release came out, which had decent quality audio. But it was not a rental tape. The so-called 'bookcase' version was sold in Woolworths when it was released; it was the very first Tom Baker serial sold on BBC Home Video, circa 1983.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 25, 2014 11:47:55 GMT
I remember reading that the first edtion of the Revenge of the Cybermen video came in a box made from brittle plasic which was easy to break, so many surviving examples are in damaged condition.
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Post by Will Weller on Jul 25, 2014 13:46:38 GMT
I started collecting the DVDs in 2005 with "Remembrance of the Daleks", so I've never owned a Doctor Who story on VHS, but I do love the documentary on the "Revenge of the Cybermen" DVD, "Cheques, Lies and Videotape".
Also, did all the stories get released on VHS, or were there some that never made it?
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Post by Richard Neil Wright on Jul 25, 2014 13:59:05 GMT
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all your responses to my post.
Really good news that Richard Bignell has found out about the Invasion of Time BBC Video edit, I wonder if this was a highly edited 90 minute movie version or if it's more like The Seeds of Death release with a 2 hour running time, either way - it would be good to see it! So I wonder did BBC Video prepare any other release and then cancel them ? Also, I wonder why they stopped Invasion of Time release? maybe copyright issues?
Great that Richard Bignell remembers the Doctor Who archive guide I edited in the early nineties called "Image to Image"! I was only 15 years old when I produced it and only had a handful of contacts to get reliable information (no internet back then!) However, I had some great contributers including Andy Chuter (from the Recon site - sadly passed away now) and current missing-episodes forum member Ronnie McDevitt!. However, I only had access to an old Mac, awful printer and a photocopier - so the production values where not great!
It's funny looking at the last page of Image to Image where I list a group of stories with no hope of discovery....In this list I include Enemy of the World and Web of Fear....oh how wrong I was!
I did not know that two versions of the original Revenge of the Cybermen (in book case) existed! I currently have one for auction and I will now check to see if it has the Tom Baker intro ! Those plastic cases they came in are awful and I have never seen one with out the plastic inside case being split !
On the Laserdisc side of things, I not 100% certain but I know the following have been released (but some may have been oversea's only)
Day of the Daleks Ark in Space Revenge of the Cybermen Terror of the Zygons Brain of Morbius The Five Doctors The TV movie
I love the Laserdisc covers for Day, Zygons and Ark! Also - Laserdisc, what quality was the playback - full broadcast quality?
Thanks, Richard
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Post by Richard Neil Wright on Jul 25, 2014 14:07:12 GMT
Cheques, Lies and Videotape! - yes I agree A great documentary!
During the eighties and early nineties I completed my (unofficial) Doctor Who collection and used to pay big money sometimes!. This was before the BBC Video had released everything. I once paid 70 quid for an average colour copy of Ambassadors in about 1990! But on average, I used to pay 20 quid for a 4 hour tape (9 episodes) of bad X generation quality video! Those where the days!
But the thing I was always after was studio footage, film rushes, early edits and behind the scenes footage. I think seeing this material and understanding how a production was put together made me want to become a film maker, and at 15 years old this pushed me to make short films- I think the reason why I work in the media now is....DOCTOR WHO! But I'm probably not the only one.....
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jul 25, 2014 15:40:36 GMT
I really am hoping that when I get all my video collection out of storage there is one that I kept as an oddity. Just as an example of what fans used to watch back when I joined fandom in the mid 80's. Nth generation, seconds of dropout, picture break up, muffled or missing sound. But it was all we had. When I got colour off air Pertwees from New Zealand shipped to me, my local group all but cut off my wrists to get them. I don't think I saw those tapes for at least 18 months!
Alan
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Post by oj-wake on Jul 25, 2014 15:55:11 GMT
The early days of BBC video, when they still used the old blue label and most did not have an age certificate, I heard that BBC video produced other versions of Doctor Who stories for release - but where canceled (Invasion of Time rings a bell...) If this was the case, do they still hold the master tapes of the unreleased stories - and how much was edited out of them? Well, things have moved on in the last few days... Following a chat yesterday with Andrew Martin in the BBC Archive, it actually turns out that not only was the unreleased compilation of 'The Invasion of Time' completed, but the unused two-inch masters still exist in the BBC Worldwide vault. As I said to Andrew, I recall asking about this when the DVD for the story came up but the feedback was that it didn't exist, although that might have been a bit of a fob-off! I always used to be suggesting the inclusion of the television compilations as possible extras or just including the audios if the broadcast masters didn't exist, but until late in the day, no one liked the idea. Richard Neil Wright. You did that archive issue of 'Image to Image' many moons ago, didn't you? Good stuff. Interesting stuff. Any idea why Invasion of Time was chosen as - the admittedly abortive - first release?
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Post by Richard Marple on Jul 25, 2014 17:03:12 GMT
Hi Everyone, Thanks for all your responses to my post. Really good news that Richard Bignell has found out about the Invasion of Time BBC Video edit, I wonder if this was a highly edited 90 minute movie version or if it's more like The Seeds of Death release with a 2 hour running time, either way - it would be good to see it! So I wonder did BBC Video prepare any other release and then cancel them ? Also, I wonder why they stopped Invasion of Time release? maybe copyright issues? Great that Richard Bignell remembers the Doctor Who archive guide I edited in the early nineties called "Image to Image"! I was only 15 years old when I produced it and only had a handful of contacts to get reliable information (no internet back then!) However, I had some great contributers including Andy Chuter (from the Recon site - sadly passed away now) and current missing-episodes forum member Ronnie McDevitt!. However, I only had access to an old Mac, awful printer and a photocopier - so the production values where not great! It's funny looking at the last page of Image to Image where I list a group of stories with no hope of discovery....In this list I include Enemy of the World and Web of Fear....oh how wrong I was! I did not know that two versions of the original Revenge of the Cybermen (in book case) existed! I currently have one for auction and I will now check to see if it has the Tom Baker intro ! Those plastic cases they came in are awful and I have never seen one with out the plastic inside case being split ! On the Laserdisc side of things, I not 100% certain but I know the following have been released (but some may have been oversea's only) Day of the Daleks Ark in Space Revenge of the Cybermen Terror of the Zygons Brain of Morbius The Five Doctors The TV movie I love the Laserdisc covers for Day, Zygons and Ark! Also - Laserdisc, what quality was the playback - full broadcast quality? Thanks, Richard I remember DWM had a big feature on the Day of the Daleks & Ark in Space coming out on laserdisc, but can't remember the others being mentioned in Shelf Life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 19:32:59 GMT
Laserdiscs has a better than VHS picture, think around the quality of broadcast at the time, or slightly below. The content is the same as the VHS apart from the copyright message says video disk or something like that.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 25, 2014 20:47:06 GMT
I managed to find the item in DWM that referred to 'The Invasion of Time', although curiously, it says nothing about laserdisc. I wonder where I got that from! The cutting was part of Matrix Data Bank in DWM #53 from June 1981, over two years before 'Revenge of the Cybermen' was finally released on VHS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 17:26:43 GMT
Had these scans of a booklet. Have lost the thing now but I think it was released with the early releases, it came with the video which had the Tom Baker opening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 17:45:08 GMT
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Jul 28, 2014 18:57:28 GMT
Had these scans of a booklet. Have lost the thing now but I think it was released with the early releases, it came with the video which had the Tom Baker opening. The booklet came with the VHS release of Revenge - still got mine in the case. Presumably with all other early BBC Video releeases too. Just checked and the tape still plays perfectly!
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Post by Tony Ingram on Jul 30, 2014 15:51:26 GMT
I started collecting the DVDs in 2005 with "Remembrance of the Daleks", so I've never owned a Doctor Who story on VHS, but I do love the documentary on the "Revenge of the Cybermen" DVD, "Cheques, Lies and Videotape".
Also, did all the stories get released on VHS, or were there some that never made it? Every episode then known to exist was released on VHS, even the orphan episodes. Although an episode of Dalek Masterplan turned up shortly after the VHS range ended.
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Post by Richard Neil Wright on Aug 15, 2014 17:02:32 GMT
The early days of BBC video, when they still used the old blue label and most did not have an age certificate, I heard that BBC video produced other versions of Doctor Who stories for release - but where canceled (Invasion of Time rings a bell...) If this was the case, do they still hold the master tapes of the unreleased stories - and how much was edited out of them? Well, things have moved on in the last few days... Following a chat yesterday with Andrew Martin in the BBC Archive, it actually turns out that not only was the unreleased compilation of 'The Invasion of Time' completed, but the unused two-inch masters still exist in the BBC Worldwide vault. As I said to Andrew, I recall asking about this when the DVD for the story came up but the feedback was that it didn't exist, although that might have been a bit of a fob-off! I always used to be suggesting the inclusion of the television compilations as possible extras or just including the audios if the broadcast masters didn't exist, but until late in the day, no one liked the idea. Richard Neil Wright. You did that archive issue of 'Image to Image' many moons ago, didn't you? Good stuff. So I wonder.... If BBC Enterprises produced the 90 minute version of the Invasion of Time, did Sid Sutton get asked to design a video cover for the release? Also, do we know if examples of early un-used covers for BBC Video exist....??!
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