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Post by Kelly Davies on Jun 23, 2014 23:30:41 GMT
I last saw the original Star Trek in 2006 when SciFi showed it complete, and in order, as part of the 40th anniversary. There is, to be fair, a certain amount of Brilliant Speculation but there are enough good ones to make it worthwhile. What's important when looking back and seeing things that are now familiar is to remember when they were first done. We see a lot of ethnic minorities on TV nowadays but it's not that long ago that they were almost unknown. Nichelle Nichols was as important as Greg Morris in Mission Impossible in changing attitudes - for the better. The first interracial kiss on television was Kirk and Uhura. Great story behind that.... Shatner kept doin the take over and over and over, kissing her for hours lol... The bigwigs still wanted to leave it open to end the scene without a kiss so they wanted one take filmed that way too. They shot one but Shatner crossed his eyes when he looked up into the camera at the end of the scene but they didnt notice it until post-production and thus Shatner forced them to use the kissing scene that was shot. To me, Nichelle is one of the most beautiful women ever for her physical beauty, for paving the way and for being so delightful and gracious throughout.
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Post by David Robinson on Jun 24, 2014 17:01:02 GMT
According to Shatners autobiography they werent allowed to show Kirk and Uhura make contact in the kiss and he had to move his head in the way of the shot.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jun 24, 2014 19:14:28 GMT
Was there much fuss over the interacial kiss in Emergency Ward 10?
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Post by Simon Collis on Jun 24, 2014 21:54:26 GMT
Was there much fuss over the interacial kiss in Emergency Ward 10? I was watching QI the other day and they were saying that during WW2, the white GIs posted over here wanted the pubs to be segregated - blacks only/whites only sort of thing. This caused fights - usually the black GIs plus the locals against the white GIs. That sort of thing makes me hope that the reaction was probably "eh up? Them two? Weren't expectin' that, I though she fancied Dr Hartley"* * Never having seen the scene programme in question, this is rather madey-uppy. Sorry.
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Post by brianfretwell on Jun 25, 2014 15:52:59 GMT
Was there much fuss over the interacial kiss in Emergency Ward 10? I thought that was before the Star Trek one and Kirk's was the first on American television.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 16:36:47 GMT
Yes, the EW10 kiss was 1964, pre-dating Star Trek. I wonder if there were any others earlier on that are now lost to the mists of time (and the wipers)?
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Post by steven g on Jun 25, 2014 21:42:07 GMT
I dont want to turn this into a Star Trek thread but the remastered Blu-ray includes both the original untouched version and the remastered version, and you can change on the fly. I found the remastered version to be tastefully done and it did a lot of subtle things that really made things a lot better such as just tossing up starfields on the windows in the background here and there that were otherwise just blank. Some of those stories were better to me than they ever were after seeing them remastered. Some real gems in there. Agreed that Tom Baker's golden era is timeless but that was also a fair few years after. Whenever I watch the original Stark Trek I am simply mesmerized by the colour. For me, nothing we do now matches that process they used. I agree. Will be buying Next Gen Blu Ray. Original star trek had its fill of social warnings, and this makes it all the more wonderful. And yes, the colour was great And the Tom Baker years were great until his last season. Too much change, too quickly by you know who ! I'm glad J N-T made the changes he did, the programme had become far too silly in season 17 and change was badly needed.
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Post by Richard Marple on Jun 26, 2014 11:48:54 GMT
One the while season 18 seemed to give the show a shake-up it needed.
It's a shame CHB didn't stay longer than he did as script editor, or indeed write more for the series.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Jun 27, 2014 12:50:29 GMT
I'm glad J N-T made the changes he did, the programme had become far too silly in season 17 and change was badly needed. Are there any frank interviews with Graham Williams out there at all? I know there's been some stuff written about how the BBC kept telling him to keep toning the show down every year he was producing, and the only thing he could think of was to make the show sillier. They refused to tell him what they wanted, only that they wanted something different and never liked what he handed them. I'm really curious as to what his actual preferred vision of the show was. For most of the producers, I think you can get a sense of what they wanted the show to be and make an evaluation based on that. When it comes to John Wiles and Graham Williams, I don't know if their actual visions for the show ever made it to the screen. And Williams was fettered by hyperinflation and industrial action at the same time. Supposedly things were so bad at one point that the BBC gave Williams the option of dropping Invasion of Time and rolling what little money they had left forward to the next season, but Williams had his heart set on doing a Gallifrey story, so we got tinfoil Vardans and TARDIS corridors shot in a warehouse. It's amazing the show went on at all. JN-T did bring a breath of fresh air to the show which I agree was needed -- and it was the something different that the BBC was looking for. The trade-off though was the fact that JN-T could have brought people back and completed Shada as the first story of Season 18 but talked management into letting him plow the leftover budget into all new work for the new season instead, which is why there's a strange episode count for Tom's last season.
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Jun 27, 2014 12:55:37 GMT
It's a shame CHB didn't stay longer than he did as script editor, or indeed write more for the series. Agreed. The interviews with Bidmead on the DVDs make it pretty clear though that he burned brightly and burned out fast. This is another thing you can lay at JN-T's feet. Because JN-T was so adamant that everything be new, Bidmead had to hand-hold much more than his predecessors and the only reason there's a Terrence Dicks script is because it had been lying around the office and it was workable at a time when they needed a script that didn't need a lot of editing. One thing I'll say to Andrew Cartmel is that once he got his feet he figured out who he could count on to deliver a script so he could look for new writers while maintaining a solid base. Granted, that's easier when you have 14 episodes instead of 26, but still...
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