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Post by nicadare on Oct 13, 2014 15:41:28 GMT
Sky+ last nights episode, broadcast without the usual BBC4 logo. A mistake or are future broadcasts to be without the logo? As for the 13/9/79 DLT episode, am I correct in thinking that Secret Affair and UK Subs studio performances were unique to this episode? I wish the BBC could collect all the unique studio performances that they weren't able to broadcast and create another "Big Hits 1979" compilation. I did notice that the Friday 00.30 episode on 4th October of TOTP was 4 minutes shorter,only running at 30 minutes,while the Saturday episode at 23.35 run for 34 minutes,i dont know what was left out....normally the late repeated episodes are all the full ones.... I recorded the Saturday night edition, I noticed they put the BBC4HD logo back on the screen, I'm sure it wasn't on the Thursday showing.
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Post by andrewndawson on Oct 15, 2014 17:21:46 GMT
I have just submitted my complaint on the BBC statement as regards the DLT hosted editions. I have pointed out that if the inclusion of Jonathan King in the Genesis documentary can be justified on the grounds that he played a "significant role" in the history of the group, then by applying the same argument to the history of Top of The Pops, the Dave Lee Travis fronted editions should be shown as he also played a "significant role" in the history of the show - Jimmy Savile even more so! I have also highlighted the fact that the 22/11/1979 edition only features DLT as a voice-over, not in-vision, so hopefully someone will pick up on that. Note that the complaints form only allows a limited number of characters, so I had to remove quite a bit of text before submitting! Hi all, I submitted a letter outlining my complaint as follows to the BBC in writing last week and copied to Kim Shillinglaw via the Radio Times letters page, along similar lines to Mark Kerridge's. I should say I would rather ALL the shows be aired unedited (JS & DLT) as I fervently disagree with the airbrushing of history which has grown more insidious at the BBC as time has gone on, but pitched the (mostly) pragmatic approach... Re: Top of the Pops repeats (BBC4 Thurs/Fri/Sat)
Dear Sir/Madam, Whilst it is appreciated this must be a sensitive subject for the BBC regarding the repeated episodes of Top of the Pops (Thurs BBC4), I like many other music fans are wondering why the BBC have not simply removed the Dave Lee Travis and Jimmy Savile links between the acts featured on the programmes for the Top of the Pops episodes, replacing the links with captions or stills of the chart positions for the acts in that particular week’s Top 30. Top of the Pops is a snapshot of the gradual change in culture, fashion and the progression of music, and as such the acts should be afforded a showing regardless of the presenters’ misdemeanours, which is neither the fault of the artists who appeared on these shows, nor the licence fee payers who have paid for the programmes to be made (and repeated). If BBC editors are already able to pre-cut the earlier Thursday (7.30 pm) showing to satisfy the BBC4 schedule so it always runs to 8.00 pm, it cannot be too difficult in this digital age for clever editing to take place to satisfy the delicacy of the situation. If the editing option is unacceptable, an additional BBC4 compilation programme of 1979/1980 etc. TOTP performances featuring just the artists who were unlucky enough to be featured on a DLT or Savile episode would be extremely popular as far as fans of the show are concerned. There are some legendary performances within these episodes (Madness, The Selecter, The Greedies, The Specials, The Undertones and many more), and it would be a shame for music lovers if some of these TOTP performances were not shown in some form. On a similar issue, I’m not alone in being confused regarding the BBC4 TOTP non-broadcasts in relation to the inclusion of Jonathan King in the BBC2 documentary (Sat 14 October) regarding the history of Genesis. A BBC’s spokesperson, when justifying the move, said “(Jonathan King's) inclusion in the film reflected the significant role he played in the history of Genesis”. If this editorial rule of thumb is being adopted by the BBC, can we expect to see a reinstatement (post-watershed?) of unedited DLT TOTP episodes following the expiration of his suspended sentence (c.27th December), as his inclusion in these programmes certainly reflected the significant role he played in the history of Top of the Pops?
I look forward to hearing from you... Yours faithfully etc..
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Post by andrewndawson on Oct 15, 2014 17:38:07 GMT
Sky+ last nights episode, broadcast without the usual BBC4 logo. A mistake or are future broadcasts to be without the logo? As for the 13/9/79 DLT episode, am I correct in thinking that Secret Affair and UK Subs studio performances were unique to this episode? I wish the BBC could collect all the unique studio performances that they weren't able to broadcast and create another "Big Hits 1979" compilation. I did notice that the Friday 00.30 episode on 4th October of TOTP was 4 minutes shorter,only running at 30 minutes,while the Saturday episode at 23.35 run for 34 minutes,i dont know what was left out....normally the late repeated episodes are all the full ones.... ....The BBC showed the wrong version, but rather than admit someone put the wrong label on/clicked on the wrong file etc... Dear Mr XXXXX Reference CAS-XXX-XX Thanks for contacting us regarding 'Top of the Pops: 1979' as broadcast 03 October. I understand you are unhappy with the editing of the programme due to the scheduling on BBC Four. As the UK’s public service broadcaster, we do a great deal of research to inform what programmes we commission and where we place them in our schedules. When formulating the schedules, we do try to take into account audience expectations related to both the channel and the time of the broadcast, and of the variety of content we provide. We know that not everyone will agree with our choices when scheduling programmes. These are subjective decisions and we accept that not everyone will think that we are correct on each occasion.Thank you again for contacting us, we value your feedback. All complaints are sent to senior management and channel controllers every morning and we included your points in this overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future programmes. Kind Regards ................... BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Post by Chris Barratt on Oct 15, 2014 18:50:41 GMT
A query you may want to make with the BBC as per future shows is the case of 22nd November 1979. Dave Lee Travis is the host - but he's an unseen MC. This edition was, due to strike action, made up of repeat performances and videos (many of which we won't otherwise see due to the *mothballing* of the legendary '2-Tone Edition' of two weeks earlier hosted by Jimmy Savile). The 22-11-79 show doesn't even have full credits at the end, and there is no good reason the BBC couldn't show it on BBC4 even if you accept their baloney about DLT.
In terms of a general complaint about their malicious censorship, I would note that these repeat shows are not being aired on a channel that might be classed as 'light entertainment' but on BBC4, branded as a serious, highbrow channel devoted to arts and enlightenment. Indeed the Top Of The Pops repeats are being treated by the audience in this manner, subject to critical analysis and fascinated scrutiny as the social and historical document that they have now become, a true snapshot of the era and the way it was presented to the mainstream.
Indeed the BBC themselves have preceded each 'series' with a documentary couched in those same terms, noting the show's place in history and their role in shaping cultural norms. The Story Of 1979 for example featured Trevor Nelson describing in detail the impact it had on him watching The Police sing Roxanne, the first time he and his family had ever heard a white man singing reggae and the personal validation that represented to him.
So to a social historian these programmes have enormous value. Value that is diminished by a crass and unnecessary tearing out of the pages, skipping chapters and asking the audience to fill in the gaps themselves. I cannot see how this can be justified.
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TOTP 1979
Nov 20, 2014 22:35:38 GMT
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Post by peterfitzpatrick on Nov 20, 2014 22:35:38 GMT
Watching this weeks show hosted by David Jensen and broadcast last night.
Was it restored? It looks like it has. My freesat recording missed the continuity pre show.
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Post by Oliver Roemer on Nov 27, 2014 9:56:27 GMT
My late night repeat was complete!
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Post by robchapman on Nov 29, 2014 9:47:49 GMT
What was the deal with this weeks episode? Chart run down pics in black and white. No DJ in vision. No live studio input, just repeats of old performances or bought in stuff (including that great Rose Royce clip.) Everything truncated even on the late night repeat.(including that great Rose Royce clip.) Union dispute?
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Post by Chris Barratt on Nov 29, 2014 11:05:56 GMT
There was a BBC Technicians Strike Rob.... For the 22nd & 29th November 1979, both shows were put together using available promotional videos & repeat performances* by non-union members, hence the scrappy feel. Dave Lee Travis and Peter Powell recorded their links from the Radio One studios which may explain their muted feel. The previous show, which you can watch on the link below, had only name on the end credits "Presentation - Phil Bishop" www.4shared.com/video/z2qdng2vce/TOTP_221179.htmlThe same BBC strike put paid to the Doctor Who story "Shada" when it was postponed indefinitely due to the upcoming Christmas schedule *The Pretenders on 22/11/79 was a studio pre-record without an audience
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Post by simoncurtis on Dec 12, 2014 20:19:11 GMT
I noticed that The Barron Knights - Food For Thought has been edited out of this weeks edition of TOTP
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Post by Chris Barratt on Dec 13, 2014 9:05:53 GMT
There are two new BBC VT archive categories - one is "Ch4 Only", which The Barron Knights falls under, in which certain clips will only be shown on post-modern sneer-fests sans context. The other, which sadly will include much of the wiped TOTP returned to the BBC by the likes of Kaleidoscope, is classed as "News & Docu Slo-Mo Horror", and used only to make out 60s/70s Light Entertainment Shows were something highly sinister.
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