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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 7, 2014 17:36:56 GMT
Hi there everyone. I prefer classic Doctor Who over new Who anyday. We may have better effects on the shows but the stories are much poorer for it. Steven Moffat's vision of the show is not my cup of tea and I had high hopes for his reign as showrunner compared to RTD's fangirl parade. Like other members on here I ran a foul of the maniacs on Gallifrey Base because I spoke out against the direction the current series at the time was taking and I ended up leaving GB to avoid any more outbursts. I'm not a total hater of the new series and I loved Dalek,Utopia and The Impossible Planet. The Doctor's Wife is one episode of Moffat's reign that I did enjoy but not sure if that was because it had strong echoes of Brain of Morbius or what. I wasn't happy that Moffat used up all of The Doctor's regenerations either considering he could have used McGann in Day and Tennant averted a full regeneration which was explained in the story at the time but hey anyways as a fan I'm bound to have a moan or two....LoL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 15:33:49 GMT
Hi there everyone. I prefer classic Doctor Who over new Who anyday. We may have better effects on the shows but the stories are much poorer for it. Steven Moffat's vision of the show is not my cup of tea and I had high hopes for his reign as showrunner compared to RTD's fangirl parade. Like other members on here I ran a foul of the maniacs on Gallifrey Base because I spoke out against the direction the current series at the time was taking and I ended up leaving GB to avoid any more outbursts. I'm not a total hater of the new series and I loved Dalek,Utopia and The Impossible Planet. The Doctor's Wife is one episode of Moffat's reign that I did enjoy but not sure if that was because it had strong echoes of Brain of Morbius or what. I wasn't happy that Moffat used up all of The Doctor's regenerations either considering he could have used McGann in Day and Tennant averted a full regeneration which was explained in the story at the time but hey anyways as a fan I'm bound to have a moan or two....LoL I enjoy the new series as much as the old series but I agree. It isn't perfect. I agree with you about the RTD era. A lot of it is just cringe worthy cheesiness. Although there is some stories that might be considered as classics. (Empty Child/Doctor Dances,School Reunion,Blink) I quite enjoy the Moffat era though. I feel that it is more reminiscent to the classic series in some aspects and I feel that I don't need to cringe as much if I was watching a RTD story. But yes. I quite agree with you. I thought that introducing John Hurt as the Doctor was a bad idea. I would have loved to have seen Paul McGann in the Day of the Doctor. (Along with Christopher Eccleston) I just don't count John Hurt as the Doctor. I mostly have issues with the RTD era than the Moffat era. (Mostly because the rabid Tennant fangirls departed with David Tennant.)
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 8, 2014 18:45:05 GMT
Hi,James, how's it going? The kissy kissy moments were bad and not like Doctor Who at all and even Matt has had his snogs. Hope we don't continue with this when Mr.Capaldi moves into the TARDIS. John Hurt is a great actor and did a good Doctor but Paul McGann is The Doctor we all wanted to see at the helm of the TARDIS for the special and we were all led to believe that it was he who destroyed both The Time Lords and The Daleks. Eccleston I wasn't a fan of I must admit and I think he was miscast in the role (The most undoctorish Doctor of them all) And as for Moffat, the sooner he leaves the better!
Best wishes.
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Post by lousingh on Jul 14, 2014 23:55:27 GMT
One reason I brought this up is because it does happen to me. I may never go to Gallifrey Base or read DWM again. My nephews' and nieces' friends find it strange that I am more enthused about the recovery of "The Enemy of the World" than I was about "Stolen Earth." Heck, I worked at a place where several co-workers used my preference for old DW as evidence that I was holding the company back technologically because I refused to change with the times. (In exchange for them staying and getting promoted, they used that as part of the grist of the case for firing me!) As a software developer myself I've got to say that's utterly ridiculous and, had they worked at the company where I work, would probably be grounds for disciplinary action against them. I tend to keep away from organised fandom & the big websites myself as I find the vocal minority spoil it for the silent majority. Some people don't understand: - the difference between 'fact' and 'opinion';
- how to communicate with other people; and
- that they're actually communicating with real, living, breathing people.
and the anonymity offered by the web gives them the perfect place to vent their bile with no real comeback. I realise this behaviour isn't exlusive to the 'Who' community, but it's where I've seen some of the worst examples. It's truly, truly pathetic. Johnathan Molyneux Molyneux - I was trying to include you here too, but I couldn't figure out how to embed two quotes here. I found out that these guys became 1-2-3 on the programming staff shortly after I was canned. I imagine that it was either them or me and they were the young hot shots of the place. (I didn't mention that the guy who became #1 said that, and I quote, "If he has a graduate math degree, that must be the easiest subject to get a PhD in ever.") So I am better off not being there anyway. There are worse fandoms. At least no one from DW fandom gave me death threats over this, unlike Star Trek fans in 1987-8 who got upset when word got around that I disliked Star Trek: The Next Generation. Ship warring in fandoms like those aimed at pre-teens and teens are just insane (courtesy of my friends' and family's kids). One fandom has TWO suicides that I KNOW OF from ship warring and other fan wars; I have helped talk three other people out of killing themselves. It is horrible.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 15, 2014 14:47:25 GMT
Gallifrey Base is a place where the mad fans rule the roost! It's a bit like a Gallifreyan Bedlam mental asylum if you get my drift! I never go on there anymore not after I got a 48 hour ban for defending my views against a group of the Nu Who bigots!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 10:05:40 GMT
I liked the new series with CE and DT. But when the writer changed and MS came in it got to silly for me.
I also liked the old series up until mid Tom bakers run then the series got too wacky.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 20, 2014 13:03:22 GMT
I was never struck on Eccleston myself! He seemed like the wrong type of actor for the role to me! The most undoctorish of all the Doctors! Miscast indeed he was and his attitude to the role since he left has proved that! David and Matt were both better suited to the part and Matt was struck down with a lethal case of Moffatitus during his reign which he never recovered from sadly...
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Post by richardwoods on Jul 20, 2014 18:31:39 GMT
A bit of a different view I guess but I quite liked the way Eccleston played the role, I found the last two over acted and hammed it up too much for my taste & gave up on the reboot as a result. Each to their own I guess.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 20, 2014 20:08:46 GMT
Nice to hear your thoughts, Richard, even if we disagree on Eccles!
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Post by lousingh on Jul 24, 2014 22:16:55 GMT
What I felt was the best part of Eccleston was that he wanted to be The Doctor. As I recall, he tried to audition for the 1996 movie too.
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jul 25, 2014 15:48:05 GMT
I may be wrong but I felt Christopher Eccleston was 'conned' re the role !
He spoke of 'wanting to be The Doctor for a new generation of youngsters'....and of how he looked forward to dressing in (period) character for the role (something William Hartnell originally did in stories such as; 'The Romans', 'The Massacre' etc) and quite probably saw the role as a chance to break out of any 'stereotyping' of him as a 'Norvern Bloke' etc...
all of which does NOT sound like a guy planning to jump ship after ONE series - whatever folk later might say or think - does it ?
his abrupt exit reminded me of George Lazenby suddenly quitting the much coverted James Bond role after one movie in 1969 !
we know that Xmas product bearing Chris Eccleston's image as the Doctor was scuppered by his sudden departure - while the kid's official Xmas annual had a very odd cover with him and David Tennant on it, and talk of Chris falling out with production staff & apparently throwing down a script asking; 'who writes this **** ?' (ala Tom Baker once, re 'Fang Rock' I think) abounded...
Eccleston's subsequent 'silence' and 'distancing' himself - refusing to do any DVD commentaries at the time - all suggests he was NOT happy to discover himself looking like a Northern 'bloke out of the betting office or pub' (no dressing in period costume there then !) and I do wonder if he got a big surprise when told to act like a plonker at times, boogie away to Soft Cell,kiss John Barrowman, and do a silly grin and go: 'Fantastic !!!' etc - when he possibly envisaged a more traditional adventurous style of the show he no doubt remembered from the sixties to eighties...
Had I been in Chris Eccleston's unenviable position in 2005 ...I'd have GOT OUT ASAP just as he did !!!
In the future there will of course be the oppertunity for Chris to return to do audio adventures where - like Colin Baker - he can suitably re-define his role, alter it minus any RTD influence, and finally become the proper ninth Doctor as he wants to portray the character.....
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 25, 2014 16:55:51 GMT
Alot of what you have said is damn right, Pat! I'm no fan of Eccleston to be honest but the new Who series is nothing like it's older parent of the 60s 70s and 80s! I'm not anti gay as such but I'd rather not see men kissing men in the show or promoting the gay agenda! I argued this point on GB a few times and was rudely told that you had all the dolly birds and glossy bints in the 70s and now it's our turn! Well, I feel that that turn shouldn't be on Doctor Who! Put it on The Bill or any other contempory television series like Eastenders and such!
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Post by Paul G on Jul 26, 2014 10:07:17 GMT
I remember reading an interview with Eccleston where he admitted he wasn't a fan of the original series and didn't watch it as a kid, as there was no connection between it and his background. He also said he doesn't like 'RP' (received pronounciation) or the way the classic Doctors dressed. I'm sure he was fully involved in the decision to use his accent and had a big say in his costume.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 26, 2014 11:25:12 GMT
His costume was one reason that I wasn't a fan of his series I think, apart from the fact that I don't really like him! Some Doctors can win you over, like Colin, whom no one liked back in 84 and a lot of people thought he was wrong for the part anyways especially as Davison hadn't been Dr.Who for more than two years when he was announced! McGann too grew on me as I wasn't keen on him as The Doctor at the time but he showed potential and it's a shame he didn't get the chance to continue! But Eccleston is the one that I felt was miscast even despie Dalek being the best episode of the first series!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:00:40 GMT
Alot of what you have said is damn right, Pat! I'm no fan of Eccleston to be honest but the new Who series is nothing like it's older parent of the 60s 70s and 80s! I'm not anti gay as such but I'd rather not see men kissing men in the show or promoting the gay agenda! I argued this point on GB a few times and was rudely told that you had all the dolly birds and glossy bints in the 70s and now it's our turn! Well, I feel that that turn shouldn't be on Doctor Who! Put it on The Bill or any other contempory television series like Eastenders and such! Interesting post. I wonder what's so different about Doctor Who compared to EastEnders or The Bill (which hasn't been made for years, incidentally)? I suppose it's because we're too weird for a sci-fi show and should be confined to more imaginative and fantastical productions such as EastEnders. I've never taken crap for preferring old DW. I don't take crap from anyone. I'm not anti-straight as such, but I'd rather not see posts like the above promoting the straight agenda. "The buggers are legal now, what more are they after?" - Tom Robinson, 'Glad To Be Gay'. The show has always had a political side to it, quite rightly, from The Green Death (environmental agenda) to The Happiness Patrol (anti-Thatcher agenda). I think the RTD stuff had a lot of pro-gay rights stuff in it simply because the show had been off the air for so long when it would have been doing that stuff anyway. It was like a build-up of steam. It still didn't dominate the show though. I'll get me coat.
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