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Post by lousingh on Jun 1, 2014 18:57:07 GMT
This seems like as friendly a forum for this topic as anywhere.
At my last job, one of the reasons that the younger programmers thought I had no interest in keeping up-to-date with modern languages and frameworks was because I preferred old Doctor Who to the new stuff. Why those facts are related to each other, let alone how you can draw that incorrect conclusion from them is a mystery to me. How other people were somehow persuaded by it is even more of a mystery.
I always said I liked the longer, more developed serials because they usually had more depth and scope than the shorter stories did. So obviously, most new DW would seem a bit shallow to me by comparison. Moreover, few stories nowadays take place in the rest of the cosmos and not on Earth, which only increases the difference. (Aside: I hate that romance with the Doctor has looked as shallow as it is on rom-con shows.) Heck, I even like the new stuff, just not nearly as much.
I know this does happen on the odd fan board or wiki, but I was wondering how common this is on fan boards and offline when you interact with real people. The only other evidence I have is the very condescending attitude DWM has towards the old series.
Thanks, everyone.
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Post by Greg H on Jun 1, 2014 19:09:44 GMT
I feel like I have taken crap by it's meer existence if I am completely honest
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Post by garysrothwellx on Jun 1, 2014 19:59:54 GMT
First thought - why would i give a s**t what anyone else thinks anyway? I have through my life been derided for liking Doctor Who (both old and new actually), Glam Rock, Status Quo, and having long hair. So what!!
I love old Dr Who more than new. Most older people prefer what they liked what they did / saw when they were young. Even new music i like sounds like 70's / 80's music i like. So what if i dont watch new TV or listen to new music.
So ignore all derision, wear your freak flag with pride, and don't eat the bullshit!!
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Post by stephenwit1 on Jun 1, 2014 20:41:15 GMT
Everyone calls me a DOCTOR WHO PURIST because I gravitate more towards CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 20:54:08 GMT
Well to be honest I find it a great oppertunity to educate certain fans of the new series that David Tennant is TENTH Doctor (Don't get me started on the John Hurt rubbish) and that Doctor Who has been around for a long time.
I quite like the new series but I grew up watching the classic series so I take great delight showing off my knowledge of the Doctor to some of the rabbid Tennent Fangirls.
But to be honest I think they are a minority. I know quite a few people who are introduced to the Classic series via the New series. However I think that the Classic vs the New series debate is pointless. It is still the same show but tailored for a 21st century audience.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jun 1, 2014 21:12:59 GMT
My kids love new Who and find it frightening and addictive, just as I did when I was their age! They sometimes watch classic Who with me when it's on and I think they find that even more scary. But no one as yet has given me any grief about liking the classic series. I think possibly your entertainment culture is different in the States Lou, where the media is much more ratings and results orientated - here its not so much and because the series is homegrown, we're much more aware that it is a UK success which has uniquely evolved over the past 50 years and so it's present incarnation is unshakably joined to it's past.
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Post by DavidGreene on Jun 2, 2014 1:34:53 GMT
So this is somewhat interesting for me since I only really started to get into classic Who about a year ago, but I've been watching Doctor Who since New Who with the 9th doctor came on. Personally I perfer the classic over the new, but the new isn't bad, it just that the classic is better written where the story and characters play off one another over the new's preference to have a story solely for character growth and the like, but I still enjoy both.
That being said, I've never been called out for liking Classic over new, but more so over for not considering the Tenth Doctor the best Doctor ever. It's not that he's bad, it's just that he isn't the greatest embodiment of the character and kind of acted like an emo at times, and that every fan just "has" to love him. Personally I prefer 11 over 10 (But my absolute favorite is 2, followed closely by 4).
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Post by Brian Seaver on Jun 2, 2014 4:57:59 GMT
I have yet to see a single episode of the "modern" series and I kind of prefer it that way.
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Post by darcysmart on Jun 2, 2014 7:55:28 GMT
Because I'm still in high school,any love for DW is geared towards the new series. But I've noticed that those people are actually really accepting of the old series. They don't watch it, but they can appreciate that you can't have one without the other. And I just sit there being a Monochrome Elitist.
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Post by Simon Jailler on Jun 2, 2014 8:28:50 GMT
I know no greater (TV) love than Classic Who. Bring it on. (Still reeling from the poll results in the latest DWM - can't they bring out an "Oldie" version of DWM which only covers classic Doctor Who? I only read it for the Fact of Fiction)
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Post by Richard Marple on Jun 2, 2014 12:20:16 GMT
I find if anything DWM is almost too much for the classic series, with plenty of references to things in it that will be baffling for anyone who hasn't seen a particular episode or read a good write-up.
The modern series seems to get more flack the original, but it's probably from the "snob" fans who hate anything apart from the better Hinchcliffe era stories. They write off the 60s one for being in B&W & done as life, the Pertwee era for being too much on earth & overusing the Master, The Williams era for being too Pythonisque, & the JNT era for being to pantomineisque.
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Post by Simon Jailler on Jun 2, 2014 15:12:59 GMT
Due to all the missing eps, the 1960s stories bear up to lots of analysis and articles because many of us never saw them broadcast and personally, I cannot read too much about them. I also enjoy the Barry Letts and Hinchcliffe years from the 1970s but my interest faded once JNT got his hands on the show and thereafter, there was only the ocasional story that grabbed my full attention.
I thoroughly enjoyed Chris Eccleston's year of stories and most of what David Tennant did was good, preferably the more serious stuff he did without the one trick carthorse in tow. Matt Smith has had a bit of a raw deal with the material he has had to work with and I really struggle to make myself watch the new series of recent years.
I can see that Jaz and his Family love the show as do very many children and other families. My eldest son is 6 and loves me telling him bed time stories about all the monsters from all the years I've watched Doctor Who but he can't sit through a whole 45 minutes of Moffating as yet. I find the current format, the pacing of the stories, the silliness, the re-inventing of the Doctor's DNA every 15 minutes all very irritating but that might just be my age. I can't help but notice though how much I enjoyed watching an episode of the Krotons last night with its 1960s effects against a Matt Smith episode on Watch and 10 mins of the latter is enough. That's sad because think what Barry Letts or all those other brilliant former directors and producers would have done with CGI, the current budget and all the gifted story tellers available today.
I respect the next generation's love of the current show because it keeps Doctor Who on screen and I'd rather not return to Delta and the Bannerman and cancellation but with a bit of tweaking and dare I say it, an injection of realism, the show could be as truly fantastic as I remembered it and can see for myself on DVD.
I am intrigued though to see how Peter Capaldi fares in the role because he is a true fan of the same who years as myself.
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Post by Will Weller on Jun 2, 2014 15:26:39 GMT
When I talk to most people about Doctor Who and they ask me what my favourite story is, I'll say "The Web of Fear". The normal response is "I don't know that one"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 15:38:52 GMT
When I talk to most people about Doctor Who and they ask me what my favourite story is, I'll say "The Web of Fear". The normal response is "I don't know that one" I once recited the first scene of Colin Bakers Doctor (Change my Dear) and the the Tennant fangirls were like WTF? Quite funny actually.
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Post by Simon Jailler on Jun 2, 2014 18:55:34 GMT
When I talk to most people about Doctor Who and they ask me what my favourite story is, I'll say "The Web of Fear". The normal response is "I don't know that one" I once recited the first scene of Colin Bakers Doctor (Change my Dear) and the the Tennant fangirls were like WTF? Quite funny actually. Girls nearby? Reassure me please that you are a true Who fan by swearing on a first edition of The Making of Doctor Who that you were wearing an anorak with the hood up at the time.
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