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Post by johnforbes on May 25, 2014 16:31:14 GMT
The Sierra Leone rocket attack destruction story is disputed. I dont think the cans were there at all Agreed, primarily because on the face of it, they'd been sent back or destroyed before the civil war even began
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 25, 2014 17:42:55 GMT
What should of ! And what did happen maybe be very different indeed ! I would be patient, because it would be so easy to have egg on ones face if premature When there is apparently no hard evidence whatsoever of a country re-screening now "lost" episodes. No hard evidence whatsoever of a country that broadcasted very little tv anyway, in fact, seeing radio broadcasts as being far more valuable from a heritage pov than film (sound had its own archive, there was no film archive) and then keeping their foreign broadcasts and them surviving moves, civil wars and god knows what else, then the chances of SL having had "lost" prints in the 1980's 1990's and them also surviving, would seem to be even less than Darren Gregory having TP4 AND POTD in his sock drawer. I've hope that some collectors in UK/NZ/AUS have lost prints, but I've absolutely no hope whatsoever that SL actually kept out of contract prints and that they either still survive there to this day or were found by someone rummaging through a non existent film archive. You know no more than anyone else john. Paperwork means nothing judging by other finds. Just be patient, and dont make any rash claims......
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Post by richardfitzgerald on May 25, 2014 23:01:02 GMT
Well PM has definitely visited SL's broadcasting station recently as he tweeted a picture taken of him standing outside the gate. So he'll have found out one way or another what actually happened in the civil war to their TV archive.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 25, 2014 23:07:36 GMT
Well PM has definitely visited SL's broadcasting station recently as he tweeted a picture taken of him standing outside the gate. So he'll have found out one way or another what actually happened in the civil war to their TV archive. The guy is a bona fide hero...
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Post by Simon Collis on May 26, 2014 0:05:43 GMT
I can't recall whether or not anyone has said that Ethiopia had (or had not) been checked yet. Does anyone remember hearing anything about that country? This is the only thing I remember about Ethiopia is the load of rubbish the Sunday People printed before the announcement of Enemy and Web suggesting all 106 missing episodes had been found there. It's nonsense, of course.
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Post by Jon Preddle on May 26, 2014 2:46:39 GMT
Well PM has definitely visited SL's broadcasting station recently as he tweeted a picture taken of him standing outside the gate. So he'll have found out one way or another what actually happened in the civil war to their TV archive. Not necessarily. Phil visited the SLBC (aka SLBS), whereas the station that aired b/w DW in the 60s and 70s was SLTV, a completely different TV station.
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Post by johnforbes on May 26, 2014 3:32:27 GMT
Well PM has definitely visited SL's broadcasting station recently as he tweeted a picture taken of him standing outside the gate. So he'll have found out one way or another what actually happened in the civil war to their TV archive. Except that Sierra Leone never had a "tv archive". They only had a "sound archive" for all their radio broadcasts and that was unquestionably destroyed. Just because a country has tv, doesn't mean to say they are going to have a "tv archive" to store programs, especially since tv was hardly available or shown in SL. Their programming was almost undoubtedly all foreign material, and there isn't much point in having an archive to long term store foreign material that is meant to be either bicycled on, sent back, or disposed of.
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Post by johnforbes on May 26, 2014 3:37:56 GMT
When there is apparently no hard evidence whatsoever of a country re-screening now "lost" episodes. No hard evidence whatsoever of a country that broadcasted very little tv anyway, in fact, seeing radio broadcasts as being far more valuable from a heritage pov than film (sound had its own archive, there was no film archive) and then keeping their foreign broadcasts and them surviving moves, civil wars and god knows what else, then the chances of SL having had "lost" prints in the 1980's 1990's and them also surviving, would seem to be even less than Darren Gregory having TP4 AND POTD in his sock drawer. I've hope that some collectors in UK/NZ/AUS have lost prints, but I've absolutely no hope whatsoever that SL actually kept out of contract prints and that they either still survive there to this day or were found by someone rummaging through a non existent film archive. You know no more than anyone else john. Paperwork means nothing judging by other finds. Just be patient, and dont make any rash claims...... They aren't rash claims unfortunately. The rash claim is that a friend of an uncle who wasn't interested in Dr Who anyway, said after 26 years that he had seen an ep of Dr Who in SL in 1982. People then put 5 and 6 together and came out with the assumption it was a missing ep when it almost certainly was a Pertwee story that had been bought in 1979.
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 5:55:15 GMT
A friend of an uncle Oh dear lol Well, not absolute proof then
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 6:14:24 GMT
You know no more than anyone else john. Paperwork means nothing judging by other finds. Just be patient, and dont make any rash claims...... They aren't rash claims unfortunately. The rash claim is that a friend of an uncle who wasn't interested in Dr Who anyway, said after 26 years that he had seen an ep of Dr Who in SL in 1982. People then put 5 and 6 together and came out with the assumption it was a missing ep when it almost certainly was a Pertwee story that had been bought in 1979. You dont have 100 % proof john No one does. So i would play on the side of caution
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 7:03:38 GMT
Mods, please ask john to take a cold shower
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 26, 2014 13:53:40 GMT
Except that Sierra Leone never had a "tv archive". They only had a "sound archive" for all their radio broadcasts and that was unquestionably destroyed. Just because a country has tv, doesn't mean to say they are going to have a "tv archive" to store programs, especially since tv was hardly available or shown in SL. Their programming was almost undoubtedly all foreign material, and there isn't much point in having an archive to long term store foreign material that is meant to be either bicycled on, sent back, or disposed of. Even granting all of that, you never know what will fall through the cracks. The college TV station I worked for originally used EIAJ B&W open reel tapes back in the '70s and when the last Sony AV-3600 went out the door the only EIAJ spools accounted for in the archive were there as historical artifacts. But lo and behold, I was digging in an old file cabinet while I was there and found undocumented spools of EIAJ tape. When I worked at a TV station in Illinois, they stopped using film for local news back in the late '70s and their film chain was dismantled in the early '90s because it was unused and the archive holdings said there was no 16mm film in the building. I was cleaning out an old storeroom and found two dozen reels of 16mm film shot for newscasts in 1973, just in time for the station's 50th anniversary retrospective. And after I left they were doing remodeling and found 16mm prints of Dumont network programming hidden between two walls. My point is that the two different media facilities I worked at both had material which wasn't supposed to exist, on formats which they were no longer able to play back. If little old me can find even minor lost programming without trying, it tells me that TV programming could conceivably still exist in a radio archive -- especially given that there doesn't seem to have been any other archive for it to land in.
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Post by johnforbes on May 26, 2014 14:09:12 GMT
Except that Sierra Leone never had a "tv archive". They only had a "sound archive" for all their radio broadcasts and that was unquestionably destroyed. Just because a country has tv, doesn't mean to say they are going to have a "tv archive" to store programs, especially since tv was hardly available or shown in SL. Their programming was almost undoubtedly all foreign material, and there isn't much point in having an archive to long term store foreign material that is meant to be either bicycled on, sent back, or disposed of. Even granting all of that, you never know what will fall through the cracks. The college TV station I worked for originally used EIAJ B&W open reel tapes back in the '70s and when the last Sony AV-3600 went out the door the only EIAJ spools accounted for in the archive were there as historical artifacts. But lo and behold, I was digging in an old file cabinet while I was there and found undocumented spools of EIAJ tape. When I worked at a TV station in Illinois, they stopped using film for local news back in the late '70s and their film chain was dismantled in the early '90s because it was unused and the archive holdings said there was no 16mm film in the building. I was cleaning out an old storeroom and found two dozen reels of 16mm film shot for newscasts in 1973, just in time for the station's 50th anniversary retrospective. And after I left they were doing remodeling and found 16mm prints of Dumont network programming hidden between two walls. My point is that the two different media facilities I worked at both had material which wasn't supposed to exist, on formats which they were no longer able to play back. If little old me can find even minor lost programming without trying, it tells me that TV programming could conceivably still exist in a radio archive -- especially given that there doesn't seem to have been any other archive for it to land in. Good job on your recoveries. As for Sierra Leone, if it didn't destroy, send back, bicycle on its foreign programming, and if it did put it in with the radio archived material, then it also sadly went up in smoke with that radio material. I think my hat can safely remain on my plate re SL.
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Post by PAUL COTTON on May 26, 2014 15:30:22 GMT
True story time. In late December 2011, I researched Sierra Leone and found that the TV station had survived the war. I passed the information on to Paul Vanezis. Paul responded by telling me about the destruction of the film store, which wasn't an archive as such, but a separate building located near the TV station. This information became generally known over Easter 2012. By the time I had received the reply, I had found some more interesting information, that I again passed on to Paul. It may explain why SL was visited by Philip Morris. The 2nd edition of Wiped published in 2013 lists(in an appendix) the destroyed Season 3 stories, but there is a blank space against 'Galaxy Four' and the Season 2 episodes are not stated to be destroyed or sent elsewhere. Given the complicated history of TV in Sierra Leone, it's quite plausible that film was stored in more than one place. A similar thing happened to Hartnell episodes in Cyprus, after all.
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Post by Douglas Wulf on May 26, 2014 15:30:41 GMT
I think my hat can safely remain on my plate re SL. And on your plate, your hat will also be ready for you to eat should a recovery from SL occur.
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