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« Reply #15 on Apr 25, 2012, 2:20pm »

IIRC the "movie" version of Planet Of The Daleks was edited to remove all of part 3 & patched up either side.

Invasion Of The Dinosaurs had a similar edit without the first part.

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« Reply #16 on Apr 25, 2012, 2:33pm »

Apr 25, 2012, 2:20pm, richardmarple wrote:

IIRC the "movie" version of Planet Of The Daleks was edited to remove all of part 3 & patched up either side.

Invasion Of The Dinosaurs had a similar edit without the first part.

That's Correct...

For the episodic versions however, Invasion of the dinos was renumbered 1-5 (instead of 2-6). And for some bizarre reason, when WGBH showed Planet of the Daleks, they should 1,2,3 (in B&W), 4,5, but not 6... That was very annoying ...

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« Reply #17 on Apr 25, 2012, 10:32pm »

Indeed Steven,

This would be quite annoying there to say the very least. As the discontinuity would distract greatly there I would think. As they say " Great Minds Think Alike ". Is just frustrating there, completely can relate there my friend.

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« Reply #18 on Apr 25, 2012, 10:52pm »

Apr 25, 2012, 2:20pm, richardmarple wrote:

IIRC the "movie" version of Planet Of The Daleks was edited to remove all of part 3 & patched up either side.

Invasion Of The Dinosaurs had a similar edit without the first part.

Edits to Episode #2 of IOTD to take out unimportant references to events in part one!

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« Reply #19 on Apr 25, 2012, 11:49pm »

The "movie" versions at least saved the episode of Planet of the Daleks, my question is what other "movie" versions also saved something that was lost? As what also did IIRC actually have we don't now.

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« Reply #20 on Apr 26, 2012, 2:06am »

Apr 25, 2012, 11:49pm, J F Brayshaw wrote:

What do you mean "saved"? The movie version was missing episode 3 entirely (and bits of episodes 2&4) because they didn't want to switch from colour into B&W and then back, it didn't save anything...

IIRC stands for "If I Recall Correctly" - it's not a reference to an episode or a broadcaster...

These versions that we are talking about were from the mid 80s -- there's nothing in them that we don't have now. It's only the 1970s US and Canadian Pertwee broadcasts where some of the episodes were shown in colour that were subsequently "lost"... Of course pretty much everything has been restored to colour now (Mind of Evil (1) is the last thing that I am aware of).

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #21 on Apr 27, 2012, 3:55am »

Apr 26, 2012, 2:06am, Steven Sigel wrote:

Apr 25, 2012, 11:49pm, J F Brayshaw wrote:

Got it ep 3 missing in color. Steve thanks for letting me know it has been 20 years since I actually saw the chopped up version. BTW has anyone heard about a possible date of release of the Reign of Terror?

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« Reply #22 on Mar 4, 2013, 2:12am »

I noticed a mention of WNEP, a TV Station close to me., as well as the mention of a Philly station that showed Pertwee episodes in the early 1970's. Recently I discovered that most of my local stations had ties/relationships to stations in Philadelphia (which apparently included shared programming). Now I'm wondering if any of my local stations have any Pertwee episodes in their station libraries. Are any of the color Pertwee's still only have their b/w versions? i know this is a LONG SHOT, but in the next few days I plan to contact my local stations, especially WNEP, as well as our local PBS affiliate, and contact the former locations of these stations, which were churches, colleges, and a local Prep School. Even if I don't find any Dr.Who(which I expect I won't) I'm at least hoping to find some local tv pieces that haven't been seen in awhile. i also read recently a print of Superbowl 1 was found in my area a few years back, taped from one of our old CBS affiliates. So that gives me some hope.

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #23 on Mar 4, 2013, 2:30am »

There are several episodes that it might be nice to have original "color" episodes for ... Just to see what they are like. But for the most part most of them have had chroma-dot color recovery or were manually recolored.

For example: MIND OF EVIL 1 had to be manually recolored. But we have it in color now. I suppose an original color episode would be nice for purist sake, but it's not really needed.

The episode that would really benefit from a color recovery is INVASION OF THE DINOSAURS 1. Colorization of that episode failed, so we still need it. I think the same is true for PLANET OF THE DALEKS 3

Here is a good page of "colour" information. http://missingepisodes.blogspot.co.nz/p/colour.html

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #24 on Mar 4, 2013, 2:46am »

Actually, POTD 3 has been restored to color. Apparently the BBC had paid some company to do a manual colorization ... along about the same time that the chroma-dot method was discovered. The episode which has been released on DVD was colorized using a blending of both techniques, and from the pictures I saw on the RT website it looks terrific.

There is also a BabelFish colorization of IOTD 1, which is watchable, and quite good considering the quality of the fiml available to work with.

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« Reply #25 on Mar 4, 2013, 2:54am »

another lead I've given some thought to, but can't run down, is the possibility of earlier unreported Dr. Who airings in the U.S., especially along the U.S.-Canada border, I know in the Pacific Northwest, and possibly Minnesota/Wisconsin areas, for example, Stampede Wrestling(a Canadian Pro Wrestling show) was aired by a good many American TV Stations. And I've heard of other Canadian shows aired on stations in those areas. Is it even remotely possible Doctor Who was as well? Or border towns getting some Canadian stations(if that were possible in the '60's, I'm not sure) and maybe liking the show and deciding to record, with an early form of home recording. If this totally impossible, or totally wrong at all, please let me know. I'm new to the hunt for lost telivision, and any information is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #26 on Mar 4, 2013, 3:12am »

Mar 4, 2013, 2:54am, Matt Gromala wrote:

More than possible, I have run into first hand accounts! I live in Vermont, a border state. I have met one or two individuals alive back when Canada aired the first five stories of Doctor Who.

My best friend's father, a good man who has considered me part of family, has told me of his memories of Marco Polo while living in Vermont/Upper New York. The show would've come in from a Canadian channel.

Edit: I have asked if he or any friends were recording video at the time. He looked at me as if I were crazy.

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« Reply #27 on Mar 4, 2013, 3:28am »

It would be truly amazing to have ANYTHING from the missing episodes(even a clip) pop up in the States. Even more so, if it was something like 10th Planet part 4. Probably won't happen, but a man can dream. I wonder if we'd see anything turn up more people in the U.S. KNEW there even were lost episodes. I've heard that across the pond, BBC has mentioned the hunt for the lost episodes on television, but i haven't seen anything on BBC America on it. Who knows what could come out of the woodwork if it was better publicized here. And I've heard of a good amount of Film Archives here in the U.S, i wonder how many have been THOROUGHLY checked? I saw that the UCLA Archives as well as the library of Congress have British television that's "Lost". Although back when Dr. Who would've been shown, alot of our networks also didn't see much value in their old programs, my dad was just telling me that when he was a kid he and his friends used to find old film from one of our local stations at the dump. they rigged up a projector out of an erector set, and would watch an old game show called Seven Keys, no sound though, since the erector set couldn't play that. And up in the Portland Area almost the entire of Portland Wrestling, and Pacific Northwest Wrestling no longer exists, at least not in studio tapes, because the tapes were considered to expensive to archive, when they could save money by re-using them. Although there's home recorded tapes of it as far back to I believe around 1973, so as early as then SOMEONE was recording from television in the Oregon Area, and that's just the earliest KNOWN. A couple years earlier, and maybe they could've been recording Dr. Who. Maybe. Maybe Not. But we'll never know definitively, if it isn't looked into.

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #28 on Mar 4, 2013, 3:30am »

Mar 4, 2013, 2:54am, Matt Gromala wrote:

another lead I've given some thought to, but can't run down, is the possibility of earlier unreported Dr. Who airings in the U.S., especially along the U.S.-Canada border, I know in the Pacific Northwest, and possibly Minnesota/Wisconsin areas, for example, Stampede Wrestling(a Canadian Pro Wrestling show) was aired by a good many American TV Stations. And I've heard of
other Canadian shows aired on stations in those areas. Is it even remotely possible Doctor Who was as well? Or border towns getting some Canadian stations(if that were possible in the '60's, I'm not sure) and maybe liking the show and deciding to record, with an early form of home recording. If this totally impossible, or totally wrong at all, please let me know. I'm new to the hunt for lost telivision, and any information is greatly appreciated.

More like an American recording Canadian TV on the border. Anything left at this point is going to be very hard to find. I think getting the last 103 episodes animated is the best option. Personally I can't wait for the Tenth Planet and Ice Warriors. I know there are many frauds coming up lately like *****cyber*** who is a total charletan and a bull****er. I think Planet of Dinosaurs ep still exists somewhere in color. As for PBS having any eps they would have gladly gave them back to the BBC by now.

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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #29 on Mar 4, 2013, 4:43am »

In regards to Hartnell, Marco Polo is all we really care about. So someone would have to have recorded clips in May of 1965. Anything recorded directly from the television is nearly impossible. The CR-2000 was released to the public in August of 1965.

Perhaps if someone had a Philips EL3400 or a Telcan ... but ... the more likely scenario is someone filmed it on to 8mm, similar to past doctor who clip discoveries. In fact, maybe someone giddy with their new futuristic Super 8 decided to point it at the television.

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