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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #180 on Feb 29, 2012, 7:06pm »
While the networks were looking to move toward colour around 1965, they were still doing most of their broadcasting in b/w. There was still a lot of b/w being shown on tv at that time, so i dont think that was an issue.

If one wanted to narrow this trail down one would have to learn who the potential syndicator was.. and if in business, contact them.

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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #181 on Mar 3, 2012, 8:19am »

Feb 29, 2012, 5:50pm, richardmarple wrote:
DWM 444 briefly mentions that the BBC tried marketing Dr Who in America in 1965, with a syndicated(?) package of the first few stories.

I wonder if any episodes were sent over for test marketing.

The lack of colour is probably a reason for the lack of sales, but IIRC The Forsythe Saga was sold in the USA a few years later.


Even with the switch-over to color broadcasts, the bulk of programing on the local level was still in B&W. In 1965 there were few color programs in Syndication, either off-network or first run. (or films for that matter.)

Keep in mind the quality of the FRs might have been a "turn-off" as well to commercial broadcasters

If only they had offered the public broadcasters - NET or "American Public Television" which suppled programing to the public broadcasters as well. They had no issues running FRs as they were already showing dramas from the UK, and the bulk of their programing as syndicated via kinescopes.
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« Reply #182 on Mar 3, 2012, 5:34pm »
I don't think this was a serious attempt if America was offered the show someone would have picked it up and we didn't get it until 1971.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #183 on Mar 9, 2012, 3:05pm »

Mar 3, 2012, 5:34pm, J F Brayshaw wrote:
I don't think this was a serious attempt if America was offered the show someone would have picked it up and we didn't get it until 1971.


It probably was a reasonably serious attempt: a high value was placed on US sales (iirc writers received the full fee if their product was sold in the US, rather than the fractions which were payable for sales to Commonwealth countries): however, as Richard notes above, the quality of the telerecordings would have detered any networks from being even vaguely interested. Not only was the 405 line Marconi/EMI system used in the UK lower in definition than the 525 line NTSC system, but until late 1966/early 1967 the film recordings were routinely made using the suppressed field system, which reduced the visible definition to a mere 188 lines. (If you want to compare and contrast, watch the DVD of The Daleks - episodes 5 and 7 are suppressed field copies, and the lower definition is particularly noticeable on the pepperpot's gunsticks and sucker arms)
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #184 on Mar 25, 2012, 8:02pm »
All right, we've all been very good about this thread, letting it all go quiet and so on, but I have to ask...

how's the search going in Germany?
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #185 on Mar 25, 2012, 8:28pm »

Mar 25, 2012, 8:02pm, cjones wrote:
All right, we've all been very good about this thread, letting it all go quiet and so on, but I have to ask...

how's the search going in Germany?




If they have found something or are still pursuing active leads at this time, then I don't think you are going to get any answers that you are looking for.

We will finally have an answer when they release whatever they have on DVD in 2013. Patrick Troughton's son, Michael, stated at a convention that he has already made a special autobiography introduction of his father for The Ice Warriors DVD release in the future.

If episodes 2 and 3 are animated or they aren't there at all in the release, it would be safe to conclude that nothing was found in Germany. I know the waiting is frustrating, but I don't see any way around it.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #186 on Mar 26, 2012, 2:20am »
One thing to keep in mind is leads are just leads- nothing more. nothing less. There are leads yesterday, today and tomorrow. Most of them dont amount to much.. We're lucky when one bears fruit.

Key to viewing this is to recognize a lead for what it is- something that should be followed up on. If we get our hopes up dreaming each lead is likely to be an episode, we will get discouraged and make ourselves ripe for hoaxsters.

Hope something comes out of it.. the odds are against it but every "no" leads us closer to a "yes"
As long as they're working on it. then thats the main point.




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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #187 on Mar 26, 2012, 3:43am »

Mar 26, 2012, 2:20am, George D wrote:


Hope something comes out of it.. the odds are against it but every "no" leads us closer to a "yes"







??? I don't see how "no" leads us closer to a "yes" when it comes to finding missing Doctor Who. If that formula only applied to dating when the woman says "no," that would be great!
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #188 on Mar 26, 2012, 7:04am »

Mar 26, 2012, 2:20am, George D wrote:
Hope something comes out of it.. the odds are against it but every "no" leads us closer to a "yes"

It really doesn't, George. Every "no" just means that there is one less place in the world that the missing prints could be.

For all we know, they could all be a "no" from this point onwards.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #189 on Mar 26, 2012, 11:35am »
A "no" gets you closer to a "yes" if there is a "yes" to be found - either with women or with missing episodes.

Mind you, in both cases, it doesn't get you *that* much closer - depends whether all you're doing is crossing off one of *millions* of avenues of enquiry or whether you actually learn something.

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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #190 on Mar 26, 2012, 11:44am »
Missing episodes don't argue as much though.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #191 on Mar 26, 2012, 4:06pm »

Mar 26, 2012, 11:44am, Richard Bignell wrote:
Missing episodes don't argue as much though.



That is true. After about seven or eight times she says "no," it is logical to conclude that isn't going to become a "yes" until after hell freezes over.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #192 on Mar 26, 2012, 5:43pm »

Mar 26, 2012, 7:04am, Richard Bignell wrote:

For all we know, they could all be a "no" from this point onwards.



That is a possibility. The only thing that can be done is to continue to look for possible leads. If any potential leads are found, they should be turned over to somebody with experience in searching for lost material. Let them handle it from that point on. If that leads to something, that is great. If not, then continue with the search.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #193 on Mar 26, 2012, 10:40pm »
My thought comes from my sales training. Say if you approach 25 potential clients and 1 of 25 buys, then each no, brings one closer to the person who will buy statistically. My thoughts were not to view each lead as more than a lead and get ones hopes up. Maybe there is another episode out there, maybe not, but going through each lead, after qualifying it, gets us closer to any existing episodes that may still be out there.
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Re: Ice Warriors possible viewing prints in German
« Reply #194 on Mar 27, 2012, 5:35am »

Mar 26, 2012, 10:40pm, George D wrote:
My thought comes from my sales training. Say if you approach 25 potential clients and 1 of 25 buys, then each no, brings one closer to the person who will buy statistically. My thoughts were not to view each lead as more than a lead and get ones hopes up. Maybe there is another episode out there, maybe not, but going through each lead, after qualifying it, gets us closer to any existing episodes that may still be out there.


I suspect that's more indoctrination to keep salesmen enthused, rather than any real science.
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