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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 18, 2009 14:45:04 GMT
Just a thought; noticing that the Who archive is apparantly kept in Norwich at MEFA (Meher Baba European Film Archive), and noting that part of 5.15 (TOTP October 73) was (non-musically, but visually) featured on 'The Kids Are Alright' DVD, it is not worth one of the more knowledgeable members of this forum contact Richard O'Casey there to see if he has this episode?  Although this visual clip (it's on the 'Long Live Rock' credits sequence at the end) is accompanied by not sound, and is just Townshend's guitar smashing, they may have something. Surely, one of my better ideas? Ray.  |
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Post by Matthew North on Sept 22, 2009 16:59:40 GMT
This clip exists in full in excellant colour quality, and can be found on teh whos official torrent site long live rock on the Pete Townshend archives vol 2 dvd.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2009 17:06:34 GMT
This clip exists in full in excellant colour quality, and can be found on teh whos official torrent site long live rock on the Pete Townshend archives vol 2 dvd. Yes, and notice it's a colour T/R as opposed to VT. When Jeff Stein started compiling "The Kids Are Alright" movie, he went round the TV archives so when he went to the BBC they still had the 500th show. Sadly, I believe he simply took away a VT dub of The Who's section which was then processed to film to make it available for the movie. In the event only that short clip was used. There would had been no reason for Stein to take a copy of the ENTIRE 500th edition, partly because he wouldn't had been able to use any of the other acts (let alone find any use for them) but also it would had cut into his film budget. It is possible The Who archive may still have that performance on VT but if they did, I'm sure we'd had seen it by now given the amount of times that archive has been plundered. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 23, 2009 8:53:45 GMT
I still may email them. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I concede it's unlikely he would have got a copy of anything but 5.15, but, you never know....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 14:27:06 GMT
Very true... always worth checking out. Even if they have 5:15 on VT that would be nice.
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Post by bleslie7 on Sept 24, 2009 23:46:11 GMT
This clip exists in full in excellant colour quality, and can be found on teh whos official torrent site long live rock on the Pete Townshend archives vol 2 dvd. Yes, and notice it's a colour T/R as opposed to VT. When Jeff Stein started compiling "The Kids Are Alright" movie, he went round the TV archives so when he went to the BBC they still had the 500th show. Sadly, I believe he simply took away a VT dub of The Who's section which was then processed to film to make it available for the movie. In the event only that short clip was used. There would had been no reason for Stein to take a copy of the ENTIRE 500th edition, partly because he wouldn't had been able to use any of the other acts (let alone find any use for them) but also it would had cut into his film budget. It is possible The Who archive may still have that performance on VT but if they did, I'm sure we'd had seen it by now given the amount of times that archive has been plundered. Interesting for sure - I have viewed the clip in it's entirety and this is no doubt the best piece of footage quality-wise that I have seen from the 500th edition. And colour also!! A vital piece of missing TOTP footage. Havins said that though, I have watched it over and over a number of times and the quality still looks a bit like a domestic home recording in origin (albeit one of the better ones from the period) - I think if this originated from The Who, or Pete Townshend's archive as a direct T/R transfer from the BBC masters at the time, it would be slightly better in quality. Maybe one of the band members had it on domestic format at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 0:41:56 GMT
Though TKAA movie wasn't completed until August 1978, producer Jeff Stein has said he had begun work about two years earlier and the start of the process was going around the TV archives to find any footage he could get his hands on. If this was the case, then the BBC may still had held a copy of the 500th show as late as 1976. However the possibility it may had been sourced from a domestic home vt recording is quite feasible... the tape wouldn't had been very old by then so a decent colour playback would had been quite possible.
However, if the band or management were making such domestic recordings by that time then I'd had guessed other performances from long lost shows would had been seen by now. Either way, it would be nice to finally get to the bottom of this mystery once and for all.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Sept 25, 2009 7:47:34 GMT
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Sept 25, 2009 9:25:09 GMT
It is from the pops. Comes via europe. Must have been preserved on Hits a go go or some such show. The N3 is from a 90's? German sat company. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 12:24:46 GMT
Anyone have a link to where 5.15 is on the Long Live Rock website? I couldn't find it anywhere. Thanks.
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Post by bleslie7 on Sept 26, 2009 1:20:14 GMT
Hi Laurence
Go to the section of the site marked "Downloads" - you probably need to register to get there and then use the search facility and the title is
PETE TOWNSHEND TV CHRONICLES VOLUME 2
Although this is an official Who site sanctioned by the band members themselves (from what I can see) it is probably against this board's rules to discuss this any further here. If you need any other help just PM me.
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Post by bleslie7 on Sept 26, 2009 1:36:47 GMT
It is from the pops. Comes via europe. Must have been preserved on Hits a go go or some such show. The N3 is from a 90's? German sat company. Correct - the performance is from the otherwise wiped 26/03/70 TOTP and was screened on "Hits A Go Go" on 06/05/70. A bit of a pre-curser to the use of TOTP peformances on the German "Disco" TV show. I wonder if any other TOTP was used on European shows or still exists in any of their TV archives at all? How much survives of "Hits A Go Go" itself? This same clip can be obtained in perfect quality on one of the BR Music/Universal compiles - I think "40 Jaar Top 40" series - under the years 1969/1970. |
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Post by bleslie7 on Sept 26, 2009 1:56:20 GMT
Though TKAA movie wasn't completed until August 1978, producer Jeff Stein has said he had begun work about two years earlier and the start of the process was going around the TV archives to find any footage he could get his hands on. If this was the case, then the BBC may still had held a copy of the 500th show as late as 1976. However the possibility it may had been sourced from a domestic home vt recording is quite feasible... the tape wouldn't had been very old by then so a decent colour playback would had been quite possible. However, if the band or management were making such domestic recordings by that time then I'd had guessed other performances from long lost shows would had been seen by now. Either way, it would be nice to finally get to the bottom of this mystery once and for all. Sounds very feasible. I have watched this colour performance of 5.15 a number of times since picking it up (it is great by the way - complete with the usual Who destruction of their instruments at the end of the performance!!) and it includes the full Noel Edmonds intro and Jimmy Saville at the end wearing his "500th" Tee shirt as he is about to introduce the next act. It does not seem to be in wide circulation either but is definitely a priceless piece of missing TOTP footage. I am advised this was their last TOTP performance until the 1980's as they were banned from the show for either damaging the cameras during their end-of-song rampage and/or Keith Moon's behaviour in the bar after the show. Either way, I do not think there was any more TOTP studio performances until "You Better You Bet" in the 1980's Someone may correct me here though. Although the colour is well preserved it definitely comes off a domestic home recording - if a better quality T/R (or dub off the nowwiped videotape masters) had been preserved in the Who archive I am positive it would have surfaced by now given the band's excellent track record in having official DVD material issued in the market. This performance was obviously not quite worthy enough condition-wise to be included on the official releases. It begs the question on the rest of the 500th show - does it also exist in colour or is only a B & W copy from the PVL in existence?. How many other peformances from the show have been seen other than those repeated in the 1973 Xmas edition? (Tony Orlando & Dawn etc) On another note, do domestic home video recordings made in the 1970s tend to lose their colour signal over time as they deteriorate? Were the recordings originally made in colour or black & white. A hell of a lot of those missing TOTP performances from 1973 and 1974 (that are obviously originally home video recordings) seem to be in somewhat grainy black & white. The mystery of the PVL deepens. Some of the "missing" TOTP performances are from 1974 shows not listed in the PVL inventory by the way. I think there are other home video recordings in the possession of collectors that do not appear to originate from the PVL. |
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Post by Alan Turrell on Sept 26, 2009 9:51:09 GMT
According to the totp kal guide the 500th edition exists in full or has it gone missing since this was printed or is there another reason ?
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Post by Rich Cornock on Sept 26, 2009 10:04:37 GMT
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Although this visual clip (it's on the 'Long Live Rock' credits sequence at the end) is accompanied by not sound, and is just Townshend's guitar smashing, they may have something.
