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Post by Christopher.C on Jan 11, 2010 20:01:49 GMT
Chris, the TOTP material was from domestic 1", not broadcast 1", so the dub (if it is a dub and not a straight recording direct from the broadcast) would have been made somewhere around the time, not the early 80s. Notwithstanding this, 1" C was available at the BBC in 1978 and slowly infiltrated the broadcast industry over the next few years. Cheers for explaining the situation, Mark. I was getting my hopes up there regards the orig. master! |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 11, 2010 22:43:16 GMT
How many editions were there in total?) and most of them exist on broadcast master, with the other four now also surviving as superior VHS recordings? That is, the whole run in total? OK, this is the list of 'Look! Hear!' editions with as much information as I know: SEASON ONE 1. 25/11/77 'Muscles' 2. 06/01/78 'Black Sabbath' 3. 31/03/78 'Rainmaker' & 'Ruby Turner' 4. 05/05/78 'Climax Blues Band' 5. 09/06/78 'Steel Pulse' 6. 08/09/78 FILM SPECIAL - A Midsummer Nights' Rock 'School Sports', 'Pressure Shocks' & 'Ricky Cool and the Icebergs' Filmed at Cannon Hill Park open air theatre. SEASON TWO 1. 09/01/79 'Judas Priest' 2. 16/01/79 'Little Acre' 3. 23/01/79 'Neon Hearts' 4. 30/01/79 Repeat of 'A Midsummer Nights' Rock' 5. 06/02/79 'Gaffa' 6. 13/02/79 'Special Clinic','Ruby Turner' 7. 20/02/79 'Plain Characters' 8. 27/02/79 'Quartz' 9. 01/06/79 College Rags Special - Music from 'Fashion' SEASON THREE 1. 08/01/80 'The Specials' & 'Mis spent Youth' 2. 15/01/80 'Bruce Woolley & the Camera Club' & 'The Photo's' 3. 22/01/80 'Steel Pulse' & 'Au Pairs' 4. 29/01/80 'Diamondhead' & 'Selecter' 5. 05/02/80 'Delegation' & 'The Beat' 6. 12/02/80 Repeat of College Rags Special 7. 26/02/80 'Magnum' & 'The Swinging Cats' 8. 04/03/80 'Dexy's Midnight Runners' Reprise from 'Selecter' (29/01/80) credits run over this. 9. College Rags Special 10. Rock Opera:Frank The Making of a Saint SEASON FOUR 1. Re-cut 'Duran Duran' & 'Eclipse' (Not TX’d) 2. 29/02/81 'Selecter' & 'Lazers' 3. 02/03/81 'Duran Duran' & 'Eclipse' 4. 17/03/81 'Brooklyn' & 'Playthings' 5. 24/03/81 'Urge' & 'Chevy' 6. 31/03/81 'Weapon of Peace' & 'Hawks' 7. 07/04/81 'Grace','The Dancing Did' 8. 15/04/81 'The Bureau' & 'Reluctant Stereotypes' |
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Post by lfbarfe on Jan 11, 2010 23:01:01 GMT
It was all good though and I should point out that everyone involved in the restoration of the three programmes did it all for no recompense. No recompense apart from the undying gratitude of those who attended. The Look! Hear! stuff was the highlight of the day for me, particularly the Swinging Cats, and it all looked far too good to have come from VHS, so thanks for the explanation. BBC West had equivalent shows, including RPM, and an earlier one the name of which escapes me, but which included very early performances by XTC, among others. I mentioned these to Dick on Saturday, in hopes that a regional music shows event might be a goer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2010 9:36:55 GMT
BBC West had equivalent shows, including RPM, and an earlier one the name of which escapes me, but which included very early performances by XTC, among others. I mentioned these to Dick on Saturday, in hopes that a regional music shows event might be a goer. I'd definitely be interested in attending such an event too! It has to be said, by the way, that those Those Look Hear recordings were the best quality VHS i've EVER seen! Thanks for the episode guide, Paul. |
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Post by Sal Mohammed on Jan 12, 2010 10:09:26 GMT
Paul,
Thanks for the episode guide, I was wondering what bands were on the other episodes as you've mentioned that they all now survive. What's the chance of being able to see the other numbers by The Beat at a future date?
Let's hope something can be shown on BBC4 lika a two tone/ska/reggae compilation of the material that exists. There's probably enough for a rock/heavy metal compilation as well.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 12, 2010 11:26:37 GMT
Paul, Thanks for the episode guide, I was wondering what bands were on the other episodes as you've mentioned that they all now survive. What's the chance of being able to see the other numbers by The Beat at a future date? Let's hope something can be shown on BBC4 lika a two tone/ska/reggae compilation of the material that exists. There's probably enough for a rock/heavy metal compilation as well. Hi Sal, The tracks by 'The Beat' were Big Shot, Mirror in the Bathroom and Ranking Full Stop. Up until the very last minute Mirror in the Bathroom was in the cut. But my view was that Big Shot was such a blistering performance (and Mirror in the Bathroom TV performances are not rare) that I should replace it. I think it was the right choice although all three tracks are great. As for getting these tracks seen; well, that isn't for me to decide. What I can tell you is that in the mid 1990's 'The Beat' management approached the BBC with a view to licensing the performances for a compilation video. At that time we didn't have the recordings. I have informed them we now do have them, so you never know. It wouldn't stop the BFi screening either entire programmes or extracts in the future. Look! Hear! used to run credits over the third track of the main act so those performances are tainted by that. But in the case of 'The Selecter' and Too Much Pressure it seemed to work. The clean version of that performance must have survived until at least the end of the series because when it was reprised in the last programme of 1980, it had a different set of credits running over it almost in the same place. Tracks from the other bands are listed in the Look! Hear! thread which is stickied. I'll see if I can pull together a full track listing for the series. Cheers, Paul |
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Post by davemachin on Jan 12, 2010 17:14:35 GMT
Thanks to all those people who made the music event so good on Saturday. Also to those who worked hard at getting the quality to be the best they could. I was also blown away by the quality of Look Hear and thought I was watching purely broadcast tapes!
The icing on the cake had to be the Top of the Pops material from 1967 and I really do hope that further improvements can be made to the vision.
Thank you for the details on the material you found, Paul, and for the dates and listings of the artists. Any more hints on the material Dick Fiddy suggested you might be uncovering for next year's event?
Dave
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 12, 2010 17:26:40 GMT
Thank you for the details on the material you found, Paul, and for the dates and listings of the artists. Any more hints on the material Dick Fiddy suggested you might be uncovering for next year's event? Dave Hi Dave, The short answer is no. As is usual with these things I'm following up a variety of leads in places not normally looked at. Who knows what I'll find. There are two major music series I'm looking into which may show some new (as in previously missing) material, but I haven't seen anything and it's all talk for now... and even if it wasn't, I couldn't talk about it. Also, I believe it when I see it, so at the moment any discovery of anything is hypothetical! Cheers, Paul |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 12, 2010 20:02:22 GMT
That's a very good approach. In the software industry there is, or was, a term "vapourware" which referred to something that had been announced but had yet to appear.
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Post by Christopher.C on Jan 12, 2010 20:30:19 GMT
There are two major music series I'm looking into which may show some new (as in previously missing) material, but I haven't seen anything and it's all talk for now... and even if it wasn't, I couldn't talk about it. Two major music series? Are we talking television? Sounds highly promising. I sincerely hope this bears fruit. Please keep us up to speed on it, Paul! |
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Post by bernie on Jan 12, 2010 22:54:38 GMT
It's a long time ago, but I don't think that's correct. The first production tests of broadcast 1" at the BBC were on A format Ampex machines, and though I don't remember the year, it was definitely later than 1976, more likely 1979 or 80. I know because the trails department where I was a producer did the first trials (and I wasn't there till 1977), and trials they really were. The machines were very unreliable, and we only had four of them. We would make the trails on 1" - or 2" if they were currently broken - then transmit off 1" or 2", depending on what was most expedient. It was hell, and we stopped after three weeks.
Bernie
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Jan 13, 2010 3:36:19 GMT
I have a lot of rare XTC regional stuff inc. RPM (XTC - Play At Home) and BBC Bristol appearances including a lovely (though time-coded) copy of XTC At The Manor from 1980.
If the regional event is a go-er just give me a shout.
T.
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Jan 13, 2010 13:40:57 GMT
So It Goes from Granada would be another great regional choice, along with the last Discs a go go from TWW.
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Post by Simon Winters on Jan 13, 2010 13:47:27 GMT
Yes, Discs-a-Gogo from TWW would be great. The final edition exists in the archives in pristine video quality. I think an earlier telerecorded edition survives as well.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 13, 2010 14:57:35 GMT
OK, with the exception of the first edition of 1979 which hasn't been catalogued yet, here's a list of artists and tracks performed on LOOK! HEAR!.
SEASON ONE
1. 25/11/77 'Muscles' - I’m a Girl Watcher & Flex
2. 06/01/78 'Black Sabbath' - War Pigs (edit) & Junior’s Eyes
3. 31/03/78 'Rainmaker' - Talk About It & 'Ruby Turner' - Fooled Around and Fell in Love
4. 05/05/78 'Climax Blues Band' - Champagne and Rock and Roll & Talking Too Much)
5. 09/06/78 ‘Steel Pulse' (Prodigal Son & Soldiers)
6. 08/09/78 A Midsummer Nights' Rock - Music from 'School Sports', 'Pressure Shocks' & 'Ricky Cool and the Icebergs'
SEASON TWO
1. 09/01/1979 'Judas Priest'
2. 16/01/1979 'Little Acre' - Taking Me Away, Emotions & Let it Rock & Ruby Turner -Hurting House
3. 23/01/1979 'Neon Hearts' - Synchronisation & Popular Music & Ricky Cool and the Icebergs (Unknown track)
4. 30/01/1979 Repeat of 'A Midsummer Nights' Rock'
5. 06/02/1979 'Gaffa' - Hollow City, The First Teenager on the Moon & X Marks the Spot
6. 13/02/1979 'Special Clinic' - Baseball Boogie & Feeling Like and Old Man & 'Ruby Turner' - My Eyes Are Weeping
7. 20/02/1979 'Plain Characters' - I am A, Labyrinth & Ronald Nispers
8. 27/02/1979 'Quartz' - Can’t Say No to You, Wildfire & Round and Round
9. 01/06/1979 College Rags Special - 'Fashion' (Product Perfect)
SEASON THREE
1. 08/01/1980 'The Specials' - Too Much Too Young, Rat Race & Skinhead Moonstomp & 'Mis spent Youth' - Breakdown & Blackmail
2. 15/01/1980 'Bruce Woolley & the Camera Club' - You’re the Circus I’m the Clown, Fire & You Got Class & 'The Photo's' - I’m So Attractive & Do You Have Fun
3. 22/01/1980 'Steel Pulse' - Drug Squad, Don’t Give In & Prodigal Son & 'Au Pairs' - What Kind of Girl
4. 29/01/1980 'Diamondhead' - Streets of Gold & Helpless & 'The Selecter' - Three Minute Hero, Every Day & Too Much Pressure
5. 05/02/1980 'Delegation' - Heartache No. 9 & You and I & 'The Beat' - Big Shot, Mirror in the Bathroom & Ranking Full Stop
6. 12/02/1980 Repeat of College Rags Special
7. 26/02/1980 'Magnum' - If I Could Live Forever, Invasion & Changes & ‘The Swinging Cats’ - Never on a Sunday & Away
8. 04/03/1980 'Dexy's Midnight Runners' - Dance Stance & Geno Reprise from episode 4 - 'The Selecter' Too Much Pressure (29/01/1980) credits run over this.
9. 03/06/1980 College Rags Special
10. 12/12/1980 Rock Opera:Frank The Making of a Saint
SEASON FOUR
2. 29/02/1981 'Selecter' - Bomb Scare, Facing Situations & Celebrate the Bullet & 'Lazers' - Let’s Go on Safari & Yesterdays Boy
3. 02/03/1981 'Duran Duran' - Planet Earth, Careless Memories & Girls on Film & 'Eclipse' - City Loving & Enjoy Yourself
4. 17/03/1981 ‘Musical Youth’ - Generals, 'Brooklyn' - Hollywood, Two Wheels & Late Again & 'Playthings' - All the Boys and Girls & Fantasy
5. 24/03/1981 'Urge' - Bobby & Revolving Boy & 'Chevy' (3 tracks) – Guest Carl Palmer from Emerson Lake & Palmer who does a drum solo
6. 31/03/1981 'Weapon of Peace' - Suss & If & 'Hawks' - Words of Hope & Bullfighter
7. 07/04/1981 'Grace' - I’m a Looner & Billy Boy &'The Dancing Did' - The Green Man & March of the Bungalows
8. 15/04/1981 'The Bureau' - The First One & Only for Sheep & 'Reluctant Stereotypes' - Factory Wit & Nightmares
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