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stevejenner
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|  | Possible Clapperboard Find?
« Reply #15 on May 31, 2012, 3:00pm » | |
Lostshows.com shows the 30th December 1974 edition featuring comics historian Denis Gifford as missing...
26.12.74 Christmas Clapperboard (missing)
30.12.74 Dennis Gifford (missing)
06.01.75 Flying In The Movies 1 / Derek Piggott (missing)
However, a search of www.londonsscreenarchives.org.uk turned up this...
http://beta.bfi.org.uk/4ce2b8badfc82
Is this a find?
Steve
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| | Re: Possible Clapperboard Find?
« Reply #16 on May 31, 2012, 3:17pm » | |
""To celebrate the centenary of the first ever comic printed in Britain Chris Kelly talks to Dennis Gifford about the history of comics and cartoons. Clip from Betty Boop film with Betty Boop singing on stage (1.10). The first comic printed in Britain was Funny Folks, and Dennis holds up a copy of one issue of it. He then holds up a copy of Ally Sloper's Christmas Holidays (2.20). Dennis holds up a copy of Chips, with the characters Weary Willie & Tired Tim. A copy of Happy Days from 1938 is shown. An American newspaper supplement with Felix the Cat is held up (3.10). Clip from Felix the Cat film (4.06). Dennis holds up a copy of the Happy Christmas Edition of the Daily Mail comic, then the Daily Express' Children's Own, the Bristol Evening World's supplement Boys and Girls Own, the Yorkshire Evening News' Auntie Muriel's Fun Shop, Pip and Squeak Happy New Year issue from 1921 (5.20). Clip from Pip and Squeak (7.01). Dennis talks about Betty Boop and holds up b/w copy of a Betty Boop comic (7.42). Clip from colourised version of a Betty Boop film that was originally b/w (9.34). Dennis and Chris Kelly talk about Popeye and Chris holds a copy of the first ever Popeye comic (interrupted by picture disturbance for about 20s but sound is ok) (11.09). Clip from b/w Popeye film where they are searching for Sweet Pea (12.50). Break where the ads would have been and then it goes straight into a clip from the Batman live action tv series (13.18). Chris and Dennis talk about Batman and the origins of him, including The Bat from Thrill Comics. Dennis holds a copy of Detective Comics. They talk about the first superhero comic, Superman, and Dennis holds up a copy of the English comic Triumph where Superman first appeared in England. Dennis holds up a copy of Captain Marvel (15.06). Clip from episode of Batman (16.22). Batman also appeared in TV Tornado and Dennis holds up a copy. Dennis holds up a copy of Captain Marvel (17.35). Clip from the live action tv series Captain Marvel (19.07). Dennis talks about how Captain Marvel had to change because of a legal battle with Superman (19.57). Clip from animated series of Spiderman (20.46). Chris asks Dennis to encapsulate all the characters he has talked about in a drawing (referring to Dennis' programme Quick on the Draw). Clip from the live action film Modesty Blaise (22.20). End is cut off, no end credits""
""http://unionsearch.bfi.org.uk/search.dhtml?fl.text=clapperboard+30%2F12%2F74&fl.online=""
""30.12.74 Dennis Gifford (missing)""
Think this slipped under the radar. The old BFI search engine wasn't one, just a list of stuff they often didn't have. The new unionsearch one or even through yourfilmarchives or londonsscreenarchives is the one.
So, yes. A find!
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| | Re: Possible Clapperboard Find?
« Reply #17 on May 31, 2012, 3:33pm » | |
DG had an amazing comics collection which was auctioned off after his death.He also released a Catalogue of British Films from the year dot on.He was mates with Bob Monkhouse,the latter contributing to comics with Gifford I believe.
So the question is: did DG also videotape material?
Oh,and good find!
p/s.I wonder if the section of Blue Peter survives where the 12-year-old kid shows off his complete run of bound 'Beanos'? Even at my then=tender age,I doubted that he'd collected them himself!
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| | Emergency Ward 10.
« Reply #18 on May 31, 2012, 9:25pm » | |
Is the EW 10 9/6/64 no.713,listed as missing on Lostshows already known? It's listed at the LSA.
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| | Re: BFI 'finds'
« Reply #19 on Jun 1, 2012, 12:21am » | |
I've posted this in the other Douglas Fairbanks thread also but it is relevant to this thread too.
Sorry it seems to be Douglas Fairbanks Presents again.......it's not deliberate honestly.
Its another mystery from the London Archives site again which seems to be suggesting that a whole host of episodes listed as missing in the Lostshows database are, after all sitting in the BFI archives.
As well as the episodes originally known to exist and several duplicates of episodes since discovered at UCLA, Paley & Wisconsin they also list the following still listed as missing!!
The Lovely Place
Stand By
Gabrielle
The Man Who Heard Everything
Deadline Vienna
Con Cregan's Legacy
Crime A La Carte
The Only Son
Goodbye Tomorrow
Lesson In Love
The Refugee
The Long White Line
The 90th Day
The Auction
Heritage
The Last Knife
Scheherezade
The Leprechaun
Street Of Angels
Room 506
The Milkman
Second Wind
A fair amount to miss!!??!!
Gary
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| | The Dickie Henderson Show
« Reply #20 on Jun 1, 2012, 1:27am » | |
The London Screen Archive again.
There are eight episodes of The Dickie Henderson Show listed.
Two are missing according to Lostshows database.
03/06/64 Who Needs Who
17/06/64 The Surprise
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| | A Man Of Our Times - George Cole A-R series
« Reply #21 on Jun 1, 2012, 1:31am » | |
London screen archives indicates BFI have a mute print of the episode It All Looks Different Through A Custard Cream.
It is listed as completely missing on Lostshows listing
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| | Re: BFI 'finds'
« Reply #22 on Jun 1, 2012, 7:31am » | |
See my reply on that thread....
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| | Re: The Dickie Henderson Show
« Reply #23 on Jun 1, 2012, 7:37am » | |
It's Rediffusion. In truth, I think it's a mistake on lostshows. I will let Chris Perry know.
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| | Re: A Man Of Our Times - George Cole A-R series
« Reply #24 on Jun 1, 2012, 7:39am » | |
Again I will let CP know. The reason for database mistakes on lostshows as regards Rediffusion, is they didnt always point out what they had at the BFI.
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| | Re: A Man Of Our Times - George Cole A-R series
« Reply #25 on Jun 1, 2012, 7:59am » | |
That'll be an interesting discovery if it is a missing one. I've always wanted to see what remains of Man Of Our Times as I recall it being on in 1968, although I didn't really take it in back then. It received a lot of praise and a repeat the following year. A tragedy it doesn't exist in full.
A technical point: Rediffusion ceased to be A-R in 1964 and the "Associated" wording was dropped, although people still tend to call them by that name for the whole of their existence! 
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| | Re: BFI 'finds'
« Reply #26 on Jun 1, 2012, 12:09pm » | |
I see your comments on this and the various threads Ray regarding Rediffusion material that should be housed in the BFI archives but Lost shows might not fully reflect this. Makes sense. It was obvious something was amiss from the amount of high profile episodes being "found" there. There was no way they could have been missed/unknown.
There is obviously a major comparison and updating excercise required between the BFI and KAL/Lostshows update.
I take it that it is therefore still worth flagging up any discrepancies to help in that excercise, but put them all in the BFI "finds" thread?
On a side note, has anyone checked if the two Top of the Pops episodes listed as complete are so? Or as Tim Disney suggested there is often a mistaken listing for ORIGINAL running time on incomplete episode holdings in the BFI.
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| | Re: A Man Of Our Times - George Cole A-R series
« Reply #27 on Jun 1, 2012, 12:12pm » | |
You are of course right Laurence on Rediffusion's name. If I'm being absolutley honest it was lazy short-hand on the thread title ! 
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| | Re: BFI 'finds'
« Reply #28 on Jun 1, 2012, 12:44pm » | |
I'm cross-checking every find with the BFI direct and adding it to the database to update Lostshows.
The BFI catalogue has never revealed publicly they have this stuff. There are some very irate people in ITV and the BBC who are not amused that this stuff has existed for years but never been revealed.
Paul Madden once told me that the NFA shelves were crammed with uncatalogued 1960s stuff that had been donated but never looked at. I thought he was kidding. How wrong I was!
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| | Re: BFI 'finds'
« Reply #29 on Jun 1, 2012, 12:57pm » | |
This is good news! (NOW).
There is obviously a fair amount of stuff that the BFI have that wasn't known about, and I suggest that all BFI finds using the unionsquare, yourfilmarchive or the londonsscreen archive search engines ONLY (beacuse those are the accurate ones - they all go to the BFI same list, incidentally) are posted here.
Congratualtions to all involved.
This could be the best year yet for identifying shows we thought were gone.
I am sure this will lead to a total re-eamination of the BFI's TV holdings.
For any newbies to the Forum, Christopher Perry is one of the chaps at Kaleidoscope who are the awesome organization who preserve missing TV.
I highly recommend their books, guides (some available online now) and their work in general!
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