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Star Performance and Dial M for Murder added info
« Thread Started on May 15, 2012, 12:42pm »
I know the members of the Forum were talking about this one in 2005, before I joined, so this isn't a new find (read on), but there a couple of things I ought to mention....

to reacquaint yourselves:-
http://cinema.library.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/P....arch_Code=GKEY ^&SL=None&CNT=50&PID=-H9YrbbxWCjMS2Xb_-mU9EZqlJ&SEQ=20120515052608&SID=42

""Dial M for murder (Special : 1967)
Dial M for murder / produced by ABC ; produced by David Susskind in conjunction with Rediffusion Ltd. of London ; directed by John Moxey ; adapted for television by Frederick Knott.
United States ; Great Britain.
[1967-11-15 (9 PM PST)]
Version: [Probably a pre-broadcast version consisting of 80 min. of takes of part of the show only].
Cast: Laurence Harvey (Tony Wendice); Diane Cilento (Margot Wendice); Hugh O’Brian (Max Halliday); Cyril Cusack (Chief Inspector Hubbard); Nigel Davenport (Lesgate).
...: Special.
Source: 1952 Broadway play by Frederick Knott.
Broadcast on ABC.
Record date: December 19, 1966.
Summary: "Londoner Tony Wendice has married for money, but money isn’t enough. Tony has his pride, and his wife has wounded it by seeing another man. To satisfy his ego, and collect a tidy inheritance, Tony devises an elaborate plot to murder his beloved"--TV guide, Nov. 15, 1967.
...: PRESERVATION HISTORY: Preserved at the UCLA Film & Television Archive.

Credits heading(s): Knott, Frederick. Dial M for murder.
BBID (expression): 31949
Database: Film and Television Archive

Location: Non-circulating SRLF archival copy
Inventory Number: T71004
Collection: TV Television Collection
Format: 1 videoreel of 1 (80 min.) : sd., col. ; 2 in.
Notes: ADDITIONAL PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: High-band, original.""

My two observations:_

1)
IT'S COLOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously, Rediffusion were not showing colour at the time, and this was obviously done for export (like TITJ, some Palladium shows etc), rare, but did occur, as we know.

Now was it a two camera thing or was converted (colour to B/W, and NTSC to PAL)? Either way the BFI's copy is not colour.

2)
The catalogue states that 80 minutes was all that was on the tape. Now the show WAS 120 minutes long....BUT HANG ON....was that in the US or also for the UK transmission on 07/05/68 (about two months before the change to Thames/LWT), because in the US, the adverts even in the 1960's could easily take up one third of the allotted broadcast time....
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« Reply #1 on May 15, 2012, 3:55pm »
Great news!

But shouldn't that be: It's COLOR!!!!!!!!

It seems to emphasise (or emphasize) once again that color was a sine qua non for U.S. TV at that period.That was why the Avengers went to colour,with a special promo film,I think?
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« Reply #2 on May 15, 2012, 4:00pm »

May 15, 2012, 3:55pm, jgreen wrote:


But shouldn't that be: It's COLOR!!!!!!!!


Haha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I suppose it should, but it re-emphasises the fact that the UK should have gone colour earlier.
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« Reply #3 on May 15, 2012, 11:25pm »
There is also The Hippodrome Show (8 editions) which Rediffusion shot in colour in 1966 (and still exists in that form in the U.S. - a DVD compilation has been issued) and The Human Voice (same year, released on DVD in the states again). These are just a few of their colour productions. They also dabbled in one-offs (e.g. Half Hour Story). I do hope that the colour versions are eventually retrieved for preservation in the country they were made!
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« Reply #4 on May 16, 2012, 12:05am »
Oddly,several threads on IMDB have people CERTAIN that they saw the movie of 'Dial M' in b&w,though it was filmed in colour (and 3D).One suggestion is that they're confusing it with 'Sorry,Wrong Number'!

One for older fans-I almost wrote "filmed in 3d",which would have been truer of Doctor Who...
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« Reply #5 on May 16, 2012, 12:12am »
In fact,the IMDB listing for the TV version shows it as 'color'.
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« Reply #6 on May 16, 2012, 7:42am »
Hi jgreen....in the States it was shown in colour, yes.

In the UK, it debuted on 07/05/68, and that was in Black and White. ITV had not gone colour at that stage.
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« Reply #7 on May 16, 2012, 8:30am »
Looking at the Kaleidoscope guide for this strand (Star Performance) it's interesting to note that two plays are recorded as having been transmitted from (and are held as) a 35mm colour master, but this one and the fourth survivor are down as having been transmitted from 405 line VT. Going from the lack of any info on the plays which haven't survived, is it possible that the 405-line attribution was a guess, and it was actually broadcast from 35mm? (which makes rather more sense since it was intended from transmission on both sides of the Atlantic...although why the UCLA ended up with a 2" VT is a bit of a puzzler)
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« Reply #8 on May 16, 2012, 8:34am »
All I can tell you is in the US in 67 it was shown in colour, and in the UK it was shown in b/w!
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« Reply #9 on May 16, 2012, 10:14am »
I'm finding this whole pre-colour thing quite interesting.
On Another Site there've been suggestions that two or three episodes of 'Parkin's Patch' that are now "only held in b&w" might always have been that way,since those episodes were broadcast in the weeks prior to the change-over to colour.And all this time,everyone was upset because they were the only ones not to survive in their original form!
It's a complicated thread,but as I understand it,attempts are still being made to track down TV Times listings to confirm that they were transmitted in b&w.If true-and it seems very cheeseparing-might it have been done with other shows? It would be nice to know that one needn't search for colour originals of x,y,or z ,because there weren't any.
Am I right in thinking that some London Palladiums were also done in colour,because they were later to be broadcast in the U.S.?
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« Reply #10 on May 16, 2012, 10:31am »

May 16, 2012, 10:14am, jgreen wrote:
I'm finding this whole pre-colour thing quite interesting.
On Another Site there've been suggestions that two or three episodes of 'Parkin's Patch' that are now "only held in b&w" might always have been that way,since those episodes were broadcast in the weeks prior to the change-over to colour.And all this time,everyone was upset because they were the only ones not to survive in their original form!
It's a complicated thread,but as I understand it,attempts are still being made to track down TV Times listings to confirm that they were transmitted in b&w.If true-and it seems very cheeseparing-might it have been done with other shows? It would be nice to know that one needn't search for colour originals of x,y,or z ,because there weren't any.
Am I right in thinking that some London Palladiums were also done in colour,because they were later to be broadcast in the U.S.?


You're correct as regards Palladiums. Some 1966 shows were filmed in colour and exported to the US. B/w broadcast in the UK.

Dial M was most definitely shown in the UK on original tx in b/w as ITV had not gone colour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on May 16, 2012, 2:37pm »

May 16, 2012, 8:30am, John Harwood (bjblackpool) wrote:
Looking at the Kaleidoscope guide for this strand (Star Performance) it's interesting to note that two plays are recorded as having been transmitted from (and are held as) a 35mm colour master, but this one and the fourth survivor are down as having been transmitted from 405 line VT. Going from the lack of any info on the plays which haven't survived, is it possible that the 405-line attribution was a guess, and it was actually broadcast from 35mm? (which makes rather more sense since it was intended from transmission on both sides of the Atlantic...although why the UCLA ended up with a 2" VT is a bit of a puzzler)


It's quite possible that the plays were transmitted from 405 VT as there would presumably have also been copies made in this format specifically for UK transmission (i'd have thought it unlikely they would have been transmitted direct from 525 NTSC colour master here, going via a standards converter as broadcast). The colour masters though, are the superior format in this case, having more lines than any UK version would have (aside from being in colour).

Who knows why / how UCLA came to hold these?!? One of life's great mysteries (although i'm glad they do - even if it's currently a nightmare for any UK body to extract copies from them!).

Ray is correct that the plays would probably have been transmitted in b/w here, prior to the official introduction of colour on 15/11/69. I say "probably" as ITV did make colour tests in the same way the BBC did..!

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« Reply #12 on May 16, 2012, 3:35pm »
If I've read Lostshows right 12 plays were done under the \Command Performance' banner,but 9 are missing.Is there any evidence that they went to the U.S.?The titles are right-'Of Mice and Men','Johnny Belinda'-but one wonders about how the accents would have been received!
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« Reply #13 on May 16, 2012, 5:02pm »

May 16, 2012, 3:35pm, jgreen wrote:
...one wonders about how the accents would have been received!


Most of the cast in those stories were American, since it was a co-pro with David Susskind's Talent Associates.
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« Reply #14 on May 16, 2012, 5:19pm »
Yep,it finally dawned on me,Jihn.

But is that right about the missing number of shows that have gone AWOL? I take it they were all shown in the U.S.?
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