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Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Thread Started on Apr 23, 2012, 3:46pm »
1966/1967 Terry Nation, who jointly owned the intellectual property rights to the Daleks with the BBC, was trying to sell a Dalek television show to the US.

So Terry Nation had to show US television producers Dalek episodes. They had to see what Daleks were, and the only way was to view Doctor Who.

Whatever happened to those episodes? Terry Nation died in 1997. I never heard of any Dalek or Doctor Who episodes turning up from his estate

Also I read a brief article in a 1972 issue of Cinefantastique that in the US ABC (don't remember if it was network or local affiliate) was thinking of showing Doctor Who. Whatever happened to those episodes? True they may have only been sent Pertwee which otherwise exist. But maybe ABC still retains colour copies superior to what currently is known to exist.
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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #1 on Apr 23, 2012, 4:40pm »
If the Terry Nation estate had missing Dalek episodes they'd return them, surely. It'd be very very profitably for them to do so!
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« Reply #2 on Apr 23, 2012, 4:52pm »
Nation's idea for a Dalek series was going to be made jointly with the BBC, so they weren't looking for a US producer, only a buyer.

They didn't require any Doctor Who/Dalek episodes to show the US networks. Terry Nation and Fred Alper's plan was to use the completed colour pilot to try to get a American stations interested in the idea. And don't forget, the two Dalek feature films had also been distributed in the US prior to this, so there had already been some exposure Stateside to the creatures. Of course, the BBC pulled out of the co-production deal, so the whole thing collapsed before there was anything to show the network buyers.

The US networks that purchased Doctor Who from 1972 onwards have been thoroughly checked.
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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
« Reply #3 on Apr 23, 2012, 5:01pm »

Apr 23, 2012, 4:52pm, Richard Bignell wrote:

The US networks that purchased Doctor Who from 1972 onwards have been thoroughly checked.


That's pretty darn thorough. :P And here I was considering visiting my local stations to see if they had anything. Well, don't need to do that. :)
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« Reply #4 on Apr 23, 2012, 7:07pm »
Still, no chance Terry Nation and/or he the BBC shipped off some film cans that were on hand and seemingly of no other future use? Episodes have turned up in stranger places than the film vaults in America. Which is were a few years ago they found a missing season one Avengers (sadly, an episode without Patrick Macnee who was not yet the star of the series).

The two features were more for juveniles than the TV series.
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« Reply #5 on Apr 23, 2012, 7:09pm »
No reason for them to do so. They were looking to sell a colour film adventure series of the Daleks, not the b/w series of Doctor Who, that the Americans had already rejected.

To that end, they were waiting for the pilot episode of The Daleks to be completed before they tried to sell to sell the idea.
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« Reply #6 on Apr 23, 2012, 8:37pm »
I think what you are talking about was done in audio and was included in the Lost Stories Series by Big Finish Production. It was called The Destroyers it was included with the 2nd Doctor cd set. It was adapted from the scripts by Terry Nation by John Dorney and Nicholas Briggs. It was the pilot episode.
I think what you are talking about was done in audio and was included in the Lost Stories Series by Big Finish Production. It was called The Destroyers it was included with the 2nd Doctor cd set. It was adapted from the scripts by Terry Nation by John Dorney and Nicholas Briggs. It was the pilot episode.
That is what our friend on Wikipeadia says anyways. Hope that helps a little Michael
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« Reply #7 on Apr 24, 2012, 1:31am »


Rumors aren't leads unless there is actually something there. As for the US, WPHL 17 in Philadelphia had Who first in 1972, yes All Pertwees nothing older. I'm hoping something shows up in some closet in a BBC office that was forgotten about, but most likely a private collector of 16mm's has some episodes and just doesn't know it.

As for the 2 Cushing Who films I only have ever seen the on TV only one time ~ they were shown on WNEP 16 an ABC affiliate in Scranton, PA on Christmas Eve 1986 why I don't know but I own the Optimum Region 2 release since then.
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« Reply #8 on Apr 24, 2012, 2:44am »

Apr 23, 2012, 4:52pm, Richard Bignell wrote:
Nation's idea for a Dalek series was going to be made jointly with the BBC, so they weren't looking for a US producer, only a buyer.

They didn't require any Doctor Who/Dalek episodes to show the US networks. Terry Nation and Fred Alper's plan was to use the completed colour pilot to try to get a American stations interested in the idea. And don't forget, the two Dalek feature films had also been distributed in the US prior to this, so there had already been some exposure Stateside to the creatures. Of course, the BBC pulled out of the co-production deal, so the whole thing collapsed before there was anything to show the network buyers.

The US networks that purchased Doctor Who from 1972 onwards have been thoroughly checked.


How close were they to filling the color pilot?
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« Reply #9 on Apr 24, 2012, 7:09am »
Very close. In fact, when you read the documentation, it appears that the studios were booked and that the sets were already in the process of being designed and built.
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« Reply #10 on Apr 24, 2012, 12:24pm »

Apr 24, 2012, 7:09am, Richard Bignell wrote:
Very close. In fact, when you read the documentation, it appears that the studios were booked and that the sets were already in the process of being designed and built.


I remember DWM had a feature on it 2-3 years ago, though it didn't go into too much detail about why the plug was pulled so late.
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« Reply #11 on Apr 24, 2012, 12:26pm »

Apr 24, 2012, 1:31am, J F Brayshaw wrote:


Rumors aren't leads unless there is actually something there. As for the US, WPHL 17 in Philadelphia had Who first in 1972, yes All Pertwees nothing older. I'm hoping something shows up in some closet in a BBC office that was forgotten about, but most likely a private collector of 16mm's has some episodes and just doesn't know it.

As for the 2 Cushing Who films I only have ever seen the on TV only one time ~ they were shown on WNEP 16 an ABC affiliate in Scranton, PA on Christmas Eve 1986 why I don't know but I own the Optimum Region 2 release since then.


I did wonder about the possibiliy of a rich American sci-fi buff recording the Perwee episodes on home video & keeping close tabs on them, though I'm sure we would have heard about someone doing that.
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Re: Terry Nation Dalek Clue?
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Apr 24, 2012, 12:24pm, richardmarple wrote:
I remember DWM had a feature on it 2-3 years ago, though it didn't go into too much detail about why the plug was pulled so late.

I would say precisely the opposite. It goes into great detail as to why the project stalled. :)
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« Reply #13 on Apr 24, 2012, 4:26pm »
I've not read it since then, so i'll have to did it out & give it another read.
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« Reply #14 on Apr 24, 2012, 11:47pm »

Apr 24, 2012, 12:26pm, richardmarple wrote:

Apr 24, 2012, 1:31am, J F Brayshaw wrote:


Rumors aren't leads unless there is actually something there. As for the US, WPHL 17 in Philadelphia had Who first in 1972, yes All Pertwees nothing older. I'm hoping something shows up in some closet in a BBC office that was forgotten about, but most likely a private collector of 16mm's has some episodes and just doesn't know it.

As for the 2 Cushing Who films I only have ever seen the on TV only one time ~ they were shown on WNEP 16 an ABC affiliate in Scranton, PA on Christmas Eve 1986 why I don't know but I own the Optimum Region 2 release since then.


I did wonder about the possibiliy of a rich American sci-fi buff recording the Perwee episodes on home video & keeping close tabs on them, though I'm sure we would have heard about someone doing that.


I think someone did, but it has been already shown up. I recorded the entire run upto Colin Baker off WLVT 39, WHYY 12 and WNJN 52 all PBS channels in the early 80's but the only thing I remeber having was the one episode of Planet of the Daleks which was in B&W as a stand alone, but was actually color in the "movie" version. But that has been corrected since the 80's.
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