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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #105 on May 8, 2012, 4:27pm »

May 8, 2012, 3:47pm, Steven Sigel wrote:
I think it's very telling that after the extremely high price that "Land of Fear" fetched, only one other episode found it's way onto ebay... What that says to me is that a) there aren't many out there and b) that anyone who has them wants to keep them...



I'm wondering how many hartnell/troughton 16mm owners out there are not at all internet savvy enough to realize that the price has gone up. The two copies that went up were sold by people who know how EBay works.

I guess what I'm getting at is that one also needs to consider the likely age group these 16mm canisters are with.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #106 on May 8, 2012, 4:29pm »

May 8, 2012, 4:24pm, Steve Roberts wrote:
I'll know to hang on to any episodes that might come my way in future - I gave the last one I had to SteveS! :P Wonder how much an ep of the first Dalek story would have raised?



I could see that far outpacing the price of the Land of Fear episode.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #107 on May 8, 2012, 4:34pm »

May 8, 2012, 4:24pm, Steve Roberts wrote:
I'll know to hang on to any episodes that might come my way in future - I gave the last one I had to SteveS! :P Wonder how much an ep of the first Dalek story would have raised?


Lol - well I did send you a gift in return at the time... However, yours has probably been fully imbibed by now...
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #108 on May 8, 2012, 4:38pm »

May 8, 2012, 4:27pm, Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy wrote:

May 8, 2012, 3:47pm, Steven Sigel wrote:
I think it's very telling that after the extremely high price that "Land of Fear" fetched, only one other episode found it's way onto ebay... What that says to me is that a) there aren't many out there and b) that anyone who has them wants to keep them...



I'm wondering how many hartnell/troughton 16mm owners out there are not at all internet savvy enough to realize that the price has gone up. The two copies that went up were sold by people who know how EBay works.

I guess what I'm getting at is that one also needs to consider the likely age group these 16mm canisters are with.


I don't think there are very many print holders at all.. Having dealt with thousands of film collectors on several continents over the years, I virtually never run across any. I'm in the process of acquiring two large film collections -- something like 8,000 reels of film between the two of them and there are NO Dr. Who episodes, or any other UK Television shows in either one...

The 'canisters' are not so interesting - it's the prints that you want :-P

As for age -- the average age of someone who has a Dr. Who print is probably 40 something... :-) (Double points for anyone who understands why)...
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #109 on May 8, 2012, 4:46pm »

May 8, 2012, 4:38pm, Steven Sigel wrote:


The 'canisters' are not so interesting - it's the prints that you want :-P

As for age -- the average age of someone who has a Dr. Who print is probably 40 something... :-) (Double points for anyone who understands why)...


Yes. I keep slipping on that one even though I'm aware. Film matters. Canisters not so much. :3 If they did we'd have an episode of Marco Polo and Moonbase today :P Also, the recent finds in 2011 were in unmarked canisters.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #110 on May 9, 2012, 1:16am »
Im attempting to figure why the average age of a dr who film owner is in his 40s. My thoughts are that film collecting was in its peak in the 1960s and 70s. When the 80s came, film collecting was starting to be replaced by video collecting. so if they were 20 to 40 at the time, they could be 55-90. If we're judging from the nostalgia point, with someone being a child in the 1960s would make them 40s to 50s today.

Im curious if the BBC might have been involved in the Land of Fear episodes since they were working on a dvd release their original was damaged and a few thousand is nothing compared to what they would make off the dvd.

Im really suprised that the pertwee footage went so low in comparison as that was a one of a kind negative while there are other film prints out there.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #111 on May 9, 2012, 2:10am »
@Geroge,
Nah - it's not nearly that complex... The reason is that the two largest (known) private collectors, who between them probably own between 80% and 90% of the known episodes in private collections are both in their 40s... :-)

BBC was not involved with the "Land of Fear" sale. I also don't think they make as much as you think on the DVDs... I doubt they would have had the budget to buy that print even if they wanted to...

I'm not that surprised about the neg -- remember you can actually WATCH an episode, so from that perspective, episodes are more interesting...
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #112 on May 9, 2012, 2:27am »
Very good answer.

Im suspecting youre one of the two.. Im now wondering who the other is. I was thinking Ian is in his 50s, but maybe Im wrong on that.

Out of curiousity, Im curious what the buy it now was before the auction started. Also, was there any pertwee footage other than what was in the episode? I'd be suprised if they didnt shoot a little bit more to pick the best.

Also, Im thinking with the negative, one could much easily produce high quality stills, etc
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #113 on May 9, 2012, 7:11am »

May 9, 2012, 2:27am, George D wrote:
Also, was there any pertwee footage other than what was in the episode? I'd be suprised if they didnt shoot a little bit more to pick the best.

No, this wasn't a reel of film trims. This was a reel of pre-edited insert material that was telecined onto the mater videotape during the recording of the episode.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #114 on May 25, 2012, 12:41am »
Not strictly speaking a lost Who episode, but new Who-related footage:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V....id=346358886597

He says he posted here, but his posts were deleted: is he, um, known to the board?
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #115 on May 25, 2012, 2:08am »

May 25, 2012, 12:41am, John Harwood (bjblackpool) wrote:
Not strictly speaking a lost Who episode, but new Who-related footage:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V....id=346358886597

He says he posted here, but his posts were deleted: is he, um, known to the board?


Not really it's behind the scene footage in B&W of Dalek Invasion of Earth with Peter Cushing which is not being looked for....
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #116 on May 25, 2012, 3:03am »
I saw the post before it was deleted. I'm under the impression that the post was violating Rule #1: No Trading discussions. He's selling the reel himself with a gentleman's agreement that it will be given to the BBC by the buyer.

Like the St.Mark's episode I hope it too is given to the BBC. That's something I would love to see.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #117 on May 25, 2012, 3:31am »
I think the existance of the episode justifies as a news release and the fact that he is stipulating loan to the bbc shows a lot more character than other sellers might have- so I have no problem helping him compensate a bit by getting the word out about his auction.

Peter Cushing footage may not be as popular as Hartnell/troughton, however I definately think its something of historical value which should be preserved.

Hopefully the purchaser of the print honors the auction rules. I would have preferred instead that the print either went to the BBC first with a gentleman's agreement that they wont announce it until after the auction or the print is mailed to the bbc and then returned to the buyer.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #118 on May 25, 2012, 4:16am »

May 25, 2012, 3:31am, George D wrote:
I would have preferred instead that the print either went to the BBC first with a gentleman's agreement that they wont announce it until after the auction or the print is mailed to the bbc and then returned to the buyer.


Then the seller would have been selling material under the assumption that it was an only copy. The buyer would not be happy to learn the BBC had a copy after having spent money on it.

What I think should happen is similar to The Lion. The seller lent the copy to the BBC first and then attempted to sell it. I like that better than the other way around.

EDIT: Keeping in mind that in the end it's the seller's right to do whatever he wants with his copy.
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Re: Another Hartnell episode on ebay
« Reply #119 on May 25, 2012, 11:26am »
The caveat in the auction that the buyer must lend it to the BBC for copying is a most odd one; if the seller is that bothered about the BBC having a copy, why not sort that out himself and then auction it?
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