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Post by Brad Phipps on Mar 11, 2012 23:19:48 GMT
I'm routinely wiping material for programmes. It's a job, hate to say it.
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Post by Simon Smith on Mar 12, 2012 7:47:40 GMT
According to Wiped!, prints returned to the BBC were still being destroyed in the early 80's! Does anyone have any further information about that?
Thanks
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Post by markandresen on Mar 12, 2012 10:19:38 GMT
Is it just me home with the flu? Or is the first page of links here totally insane?
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 12, 2012 12:32:14 GMT
A travel firm I worked for while at college made to keep records for 5 years.
I remember they had a store room full of archiving boxes, & at least once I helped sort out the ones to be disposed of.
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Post by dennywilson on Mar 12, 2012 18:22:55 GMT
According to Wiped!, prints returned to the BBC were still being destroyed in the early 80's! Does anyone have any further information about that? Thanks I read that,too (and mentioned it on at least one thread) but never got an answer if anyone knew what they were? Could have been redundant Pertwee F/R - those were still floating around at that point.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Mar 12, 2012 18:33:57 GMT
According to Wiped!, prints returned to the BBC were still being destroyed in the early 80's! Does anyone have any further information about that? Thanks I read that,too (and mentioned it on at least one thread) but never got an answer if anyone knew what they were? Could have been redundant Pertwee F/R - those were still floating around at that point. I'm sure that if that info was known, a list would have been published in the book.
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Post by Greg H on Mar 12, 2012 19:33:03 GMT
I recall sue Malden mentioning this in an interview. I think this is one that is probably best not to dwell on too heavily :/ They could have junked the last surviving prints of anything really. A shame if something made it all the way to the 80s and then was made extinct by some junior employee.
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Post by francisniemczyk on Apr 7, 2012 2:41:06 GMT
Sierra Leone ~1999: Galaxy 4 / The Myth Makers / The Massacre / The Celestial Toymaker / The Savages destroyed in civil war
Am curious to know: [1] If the film prints of these episodes were known about before being destroyed in the war in Sierra Leone, had there been any attempt to get them returned to the BBC? [2] If the former existence of these episodes in Sierra Leone only became known after the prints were destroyed in the war, how is it known that they had previously existed?
Many thanks for your help,
Francis Niemczyk
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Post by Simon Smith on Apr 7, 2012 5:05:49 GMT
From what I can gather, Sierra Leone simply hadn't been contacted yet when the civil war began there. By the time someone realised that Sierra Leone's archives hadn't been explored yet, the war was raging.
And Sierra Leone held detailed information on all that was in their archives. Sadly "was" is the key word, as the tv station premises were destroyed during the war.
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Post by LanceM on Apr 7, 2012 5:28:31 GMT
I just have this vision of someone picking through the rubble of the TV station, picking up an odd reel or two to show to friends and family, or liked the show when was on TV. You never know, stranger things have happened when it comes to Doctor Who discoveries-recoveries!
This is total fantasy there of course, highly doubtful anything like that ever happened, but you never know?? Just saying, you never know, " food for thought".
When all you are left with is straws,then it is a good time to have a through look through them to find the needle at the center of the haystack! Is always worth the work and effort there in regards as have seen through the continued efforts of Paul Vanezis, Andrew Martin, and many others around the world!!
Cheers, Lance.
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Post by rdenham on Apr 7, 2012 11:48:28 GMT
From what I can gather, Sierra Leone simply hadn't been contacted yet when the civil war began there. By the time someone realised that Sierra Leone's archives hadn't been explored yet, the war was raging. And Sierra Leone held detailed information on all that was in their archives. Sadly "was" is the key word, as the tv station premises were destroyed during the war. IIRC, the TV station had actually been contacted prior to the war, but when asked, they simply said they didn't have anything. It wasn't until later on we found out that they did have prints.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Apr 8, 2012 13:03:44 GMT
Hi all.
In answer to everyone (and to clarify a few misunderstandings) we did not know before very recently that Sierra Leone had retained material beyond their contract period. I am certain that some material was there until the late 1980's because material was broadcast out of contract. The station itself was not destroyed in 1999, but the building that stored all their film was. Once we're sure of our facts we'll write something up, but what we do know is that despite the BBC sending telexes to these stations back in the mid 80's, very few responses were forthcoming. When the BBC & Enterprises said there was nothing more to be found because they'd contacted everyone, they were mistaken as the return from Hong Kong proved.
We think the episodes in Sierra Leone were Galaxy 4 through to The Smugglers.
Regards,
Paul
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Post by Jamie F on Apr 8, 2012 13:37:38 GMT
Thanks for that Paul. The Sierra Leone incident, whilst fascinating, doesn't particularly bother me as I don't feel like we lost anything as we were never close to the episodes being returned. It was 12 years later that we discovered the episodes had been destroyed, so we were never any closer to a recovery anyway. If they had been destroyed whilst negotiations were in process, I would of course be devastated!
Out of interest, is it possible there are other archives where a similar scenario could occur where a negative response was previously issued or have all archives now been checked following the recent initiative?
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Post by John Andersen on Apr 8, 2012 14:49:32 GMT
Hi all. Once we're sure of our facts we'll write something up, but what we do know is that despite the BBC sending telexes to these stations back in the mid 80's, very few responses were forthcoming. Regards, Paul Thanks for the update. That is what I suspected. It can't be helped if the employees in Sierra Leone had no idea what was going on when they were contacted in the early to mid 80s. The BBC did all they could at the time.
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Post by John Fleming on Apr 8, 2012 15:02:22 GMT
I am certain that some material was there until the late 1980's because material was broadcast out of contract. This is a long shot but if missing Who was broadcast in the late 80s then is there a chance this has survived on off-air VHS or Betamax? I am well aware Sierra Leone is the poorest country in the world but I would hazard a guess that like most of Africa there are some very rich people living there.
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