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« Reply #15 on Jul 18, 2012, 5:10pm »

There was "Seconds" (1966) with Rock Hudson. Presumably that was distributed by one of the big companies? That's b/w but I can't think of many later that have big name stars in them (i.e. that aren't art / underground movies).

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« Reply #16 on Jul 18, 2012, 5:11pm »

I'll leave your question to the experts,Richard,but it's got me wondering what the response would have been if the two Peter Cushing Doctor Who movies had been released in grittier b&w?
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« Reply #17 on Jul 18, 2012, 7:22pm »


Jul 18, 2012, 5:11pm, jgreen wrote:
I'll leave your question to the experts,Richard,but it's got me wondering what the response would have been if the two Peter Cushing Doctor Who movies had been released in grittier b&w?


It has been mentioned that one of the selling points of the first film (& I guess many films based on TV series) was it being in colour a few years before the TV series switched.

It's been a few years since I saw either, so maybe next time I'll turn the colour down on my TV.
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« Reply #18 on Jul 24, 2012, 9:59pm »

'The Whisperers' (1967), with Edith Evans playing the eccentric old lady in a fantasy world of her own, was one of the last British b&w films.
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« Reply #19 on Jul 24, 2012, 10:33pm »

I've got that but have never watched it.Maybe if it had been in colour...
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« Reply #20 on Jul 25, 2012, 10:31pm »

That's right. And you've hit on an interesting point, jgreen.

I assume that b&w films were phased out in 1966-67 because the USA had already switched to colour TV (in 1965, I think?), and the UK had began filming TV in colour ('Stingray', 'Thunderbirds', 'The Baron', 'The Saint' etc) in preparation for its own switchover. This of course beginning in a small way on BBC2 in 1967.

Since the cinema had to compete with TV directly, and had to have a box office draw that TV did not have, then films not in colour would be unpopular by the late 60s.
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« Reply #21 on Jul 25, 2012, 11:12pm »

Hmm.I think that going over to colour with the Avengers,The Saint,etc. was largely because the U.S. had colour TV.I suspect that quite few people in the UK were reading "in colour" on the credits of some shows with chagrin.Of course,if you had colour,you already knew it WAS in colour...
There's an episode or two of 'On the Buses' where the bus has a large ad for colour TV rentals along the side.Bit of a hint.

Fred Astaire's 'The Band Wagon' had a song about all the things cinema could offer that TV couldn't:Technicolor,Vistavision,"and stereophonic sound,and stereophonic sound."
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« Reply #22 on Jul 26, 2012, 7:12am »


Jul 25, 2012, 11:12pm, jgreen wrote:
I suspect that quite few people in the UK were reading "in colour" on the credits of some shows with chagrin.Of course,if you had colour,you already knew it WAS in colour...


Yep, I was one of those people looking on our b/w set in 1967, slightly frustrated that we couldn't see things such as The Avengers and The Prisoner (as well as all the early BBC-2 programmes) in colour! It was only with the 1982/3 C4 screenings that I finally saw them that way for the first time, believe it or not! :D

Incidentally, Tony, you're right. The U.S. networks went over to a full colour service (prime time hours anyway) in September 1965. It must have surely had an effect on cinema going over, I'd have thought.

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« Reply #23 on Jul 26, 2012, 2:21pm »

In the 50s and 60s,blockbuster films would be released in 'roadshow' editions,with higher seat prices for glamorous shows.The films would start with 10 minutes or so of overtures in the case of musicals,especially.Blank screen,soundtrack only.Glossy printed programmes to keep as souvenirs.A posh night out.It might well have appealed to people inclined to disguise their TV as a cocktail cabinet.This would be a few weeks before the regular cut was released for the plebs.
It seems as though by the 60s there was scarcely room for also-ran pictures.People seemed keener on watching an expensive film several times,than a cheapie once.The Sound of Music ran for months in Stoke-on-Trent,I believe,with coach-parties coming in to watch it.
Of course,the movies also had the X-certificate films,though home video killed off the sleazy ones.
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« Reply #24 on Jul 26, 2012, 7:40pm »

It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World was shown as a road show (at least in the USA) before going on general release.

The missing bits of it are worth a thread to themselves.
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« Reply #25 on Jul 26, 2012, 7:59pm »

This is a very good piece:
http://www.povonline.com/notes/Notes110203.htm on IAMMMMMMW.

A couple of years ago,the BBC started showing the/a longer,restored 'South Pacific',with no warning.It's been on a few more times,but I still haven't seen it from the beginning,but I doubt that it's got the overture!
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« Reply #26 on Jul 27, 2012, 8:26am »


Jul 26, 2012, 2:21pm, jgreen wrote:
In the 50s and 60s,blockbuster films would be released in 'roadshow' editions,with higher seat prices for glamorous shows.The films would start with 10 minutes or so of overtures in the case of musicals,especially.Blank screen,soundtrack only.

When I saw '2001 - A Space Odyssey' in a cinema about 10 years ago, it started like this with 5 minutes of Ligeti's music played before the curtain opened and the film started. It also had an original on-screen 'Intermission' card ! Sadly there wasn't an intermission, which was a shame as the film is actually very boring if you've seen it before. :(

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« Reply #27 on Jul 27, 2012, 8:51am »

Yik.I've seen it two or three times at the cinema.
Where are the studio executives demanding cuts when you need them?

(Only kidding).

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