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New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing
« Thread Started on Apr 18, 2012, 6:32pm »

Is this a wiped peformance from TOTP? Cannot remember seeing this clip before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HwAK-fWA....554FAAAAAHgAWAA

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« Reply #1 on Apr 18, 2012, 7:15pm »

its from the existing 30-12-71 edition, someone has dubbed the record over it as it only exists at the BBC with no sound.

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« Reply #2 on Apr 18, 2012, 7:54pm »

Thanks Mark

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #3 on Apr 19, 2012, 7:59am »

I may mention this to the Beeb. Nic Culverwell is the New Seekers expert (been on here before). Sure he'd welcome a showing of this, even dubbed!

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #4 on Apr 19, 2012, 7:01pm »

It's a shame the sound can't be restored to the Congregation "Softly Whispering I love You" clip as well or can a professional dub be done?

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #5 on Apr 19, 2012, 8:25pm »

I tried once but it is much more difficult than the New Seekers clip because the vocal performance is a bit different from the studio version. That's not to say it isn't possible but there are one or two moments where the studio audio is not really in sync with the singers lips...
Dubbing the New Seekers on the other hand is quite easy because they keep very close to the studio version.

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #6 on Apr 19, 2012, 9:25pm »

Forgive a silly question but how come the footage is mute?
And reference the New Seekers their TOTP performances were impressive>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_8aofjOQI

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #7 on Apr 19, 2012, 10:25pm »

Apr 19, 2012, 9:25pm, nicadare wrote:

Forgive a silly question but how come the footage is mute?
And reference the New Seekers their TOTP performances were impressive>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_8aofjOQI

The version of this show that the BBC hold is an unedited recording (rather like the state 11-10-73 is in). All of Ed Stewart's links are mute, as well as some of the tracks within the show (New Seekers and Congregation being two of them), including a retake of the chart rundown at the start of the show.

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #8 on Apr 20, 2012, 4:48pm »

"Dubbing the New Seekers on the other hand is quite easy because they keep very close to the studio version. "

Surely the BBC can dub the record track onto a live performance, can't they? Either that or I'm a genius! I do this when I occasionally have friends round for a Sixties Night.

OK, I know it's cheating, but some of the old performances were a bit suspect, so I dub the CD audio onto them.

I won't advertise software, but with my programme I vary the speed of the video slightly to match the audio - and get great results! Some of the artistes had quite a bit of trouble keeping to a regular beat!

Incidentally, when I dubbed Ruby Tuesday from CD onto the Ed Sullivan Show performance, I discovered the Rolling Stones kept time absolutely precisely! Very impressive!!!

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #9 on Apr 20, 2012, 8:41pm »

This is all true and I do that as well. But regarding the Congregation clip, the job isn't that easy. You have the singer in front and the choir behind him, and no matter how you change the speed of the video, either the singer or the choir are not in sync with their vocal parts because of the "live" audio.
But generally I agree that the vast majority of performances can be dubbed very well.

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #10 on Apr 21, 2012, 12:36pm »

BR Music will overdub the audio on their DVDs by default and the results are usually very good but it doesn't always work out.
One particular bodge up is a track from the 'Testament of the Seventies' box set, Jimmy Helms-Gonna Make you an Offer you Can't Refuse, the film is speeded up and looks ridiculous in parts.
I've been advised it's better to stretch the audio track than the video track to retain the video quality.
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/11869/20120421-luzy-32kb.jpg

Here's a sample of the Jimmy Helms track, Youtube is poor quality and the audio is clearly out but keep your eyes on the speed of the video

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITmKkwtapMM

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #11 on Apr 21, 2012, 1:34pm »

"I've been advised it's better to stretch the audio track than the video track to retain the video quality."

That's certainly not the option I would go for, Nic - surely the music is the music, and the idea is to try to turn the video into a visual representation of that music, rather than "mess around" with it. I'd rather mess around with the video, as it's not noticeable (at least it isn't with my Apple software).
I suppose I should point out that I use a semi-pro system - but perhaps you do too, so I'm not sure how Apple and PC programmes compare.
I only know I much prefer an Apple for video work - but PC for everything else.

Perhaps in the Sixties the idea was more to recreate the general performance that was on the disc release, so perhaps later years' videos were more difficult to match together; they seemed to deliberately aim to give a fresh approach to a song, perhaps.

I have to confess that YouTube video would be a challenge, to put it mildly. (Not familiar with the record, though.)

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Re: New Seekers - I'd Like To Teach The World To S
« Reply #12 on Apr 21, 2012, 1:49pm »

An audio track stretched or shortened by a few seconds is undetectable and another problem with adjusting the speed of the video...many performances on TOTP have a different audio mix to the 'single' versions, and it's easier to chop and change an audio track than a video track, but each to their own Colin

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