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« Reply #60 on Apr 24, 2012, 12:37pm » | |
Was it bad planning that BBC4 repeated it's reggae night the week before this edition of SOTS2? I'm just glad to see they included The Specials on Something Else. A pity the Beeb just can't show all the bands that appeared on Something Else as there's some great live footage (not mimed) from the show.
Roll on Sounds of the 80's 2 where there's more choice of footage to show.
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« Reply #61 on Apr 24, 2012, 1:26pm » | |
Apr 24, 2012, 12:25pm, garyjordanbrum wrote:So back on topic!!!! well had everything seen on lasts night's edition been seen before? even on the 1st series 20 odd years ago:
"We’ve a series of ‘Sounds of the 70s 2’ and ‘TOTP2’ coming up on BBC Two in the spring and summer. ‘Sounds of the 70s 2’ will not repeat anything in series 1"
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Don't you prefer digital upgrades of this old VHS material?
I thought last nights show was worth it for Steel Pulse on Look Hear and The Specials from Something Else. Far superior to my old VHS copies of almost 20 years ago.
Not too keen on next week's show though.
Sounds Of The 70's 2
Troubadours - Peaceful Easy Feeling
Episode 3 of 10
Duration: 29 minutes
In the early 70s as the UK got to grips with the new coinage and decimalisation and braced itself for strike after strike, a group of young troubadours were hanging out in Laurel Canyon and the environs of California USA having a ball and creating music that would define a generation. In this third programme from the Sounds of 70s series it's time to kick back and relax and enjoy performances from the long hairs: Crosby and Nash, Neil Young, America, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Carole King, Eagles and Seals and Crofts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h7pzm
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« Reply #62 on Apr 24, 2012, 1:57pm » | |
Yes, it was great to see Steel Pulse and the Specials again, but I broadly agree with Gary in that the same material is trotted out time and time again. Take for example "Killer Queen", how many times has that footage been repeated, while "Seven Seas of Rhye" gathers dust in the archives, and don't try pretending that it is not in the archives because I can name two people who have returned it, and clips of it were used on "The Days of Our Lives" documentary.
I have said this before and will say it again that there are fanboys on this forum who will defend anything the BBC do, from the mass wiping policy of the 70s to mindless repetition of pop clips to refusal to show certain material, and the comment from Steve a couple of pages back fits into that category IMHO.
I have also said this before but Granada's archiving was superb, and they also repeated "Supersonic" and "Revolver", and ITV is a private company, they do not owe the public anything, and again at risk of repeating myself THE BBC IS A PUBLIC COMPANY AND HAS A DUTY TO GIVE THE PUBLIC WHAT IT WANTS!!!!
This is not a dig at the BBC; I have sent a number of emails to congratulate them on the current series of TOTP repeats, and particularly on the decision to show 31/03/77, even if it did take a lot of persuasion to show it, and if they didn't show the best available copy. It is however a serious bitch at those who defend every decision the BBC makes when they are not in our interests.
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« Reply #63 on Apr 24, 2012, 3:42pm » | |
Well, the 'reggae' episode that was your original 'beef'..
I hadn't seen Dave and Ansel Collins' performance since at least 20 years (if not the orig transmission), and that was great. I didn't hang around for the rest of the show but if the shows task was to show reggae as it was shown on the BBC in those days, it did right.
I like the 'captions', many don't, that's fine. I prefer them without wacky borders etc, and the current versions seem OK. Many people would prefer them without, possibly so they can compile their own save-DVDs, and that's fine also.
Who are these people that 'defend' the 'BBC' about their 'mass-wiping policy'?
and as for the complaints that the 'chart rundown' showing have been modified so we can actually see it on our TVs, .... ( I dunno)
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« Reply #64 on Apr 24, 2012, 3:49pm » | |
FAO: mike and anybody else who seems to be knocking me 1 I do not abuse BBC it is criticism not abuse 2 if you were to read my previous posts (re:ITV) 3 read my archive posts on my TOTP blog http://www.gaztotp.blogspot.com you will see I have already asked ITV several times(over 10 years ago) for an archive music show so shut the f*** up, if you aint satisfied get off yer arse and do sommat yerself. Perhaps if some of you lot hadn't have been so up yer own arses afraid to say sommat years ago we wouldn't be still watching the same Crap that's been dished up for years, some of us have the Bollox to stand up and be counted. There's even comments on the BBC points of view asking why the same stuff is being shown, I'm not one who shy's away from saying it how it is to BBC, ITV, bands/artists their managements or record companies no f***er dictates to me what I can or can not say either on a message board or anywhere else. Wtf got off his arse 20 years ago and bought you lot sounds of TOTP2 amongst others including the two TOTP 25th video you should be thanking me not stabbing me in the back if you don't like what I write don't f****** read it.
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« Reply #65 on Apr 24, 2012, 3:53pm » | |
Gaz. I don't think anyone was having a go at you.
Many of us respect what you do in regard to finding footage and lobbying for things to be shown, me for one.
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« Reply #66 on Apr 24, 2012, 4:41pm » | |
Apr 24, 2012, 3:42pm, markg wrote:| Well, the 'reggae' episode that was your original 'beef'.. |
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It wasn't my beef, I enjoyed the reggae episode. I will back Gary up though when he refers to all the material hidden away in the archives, because there is loads of it.
Apr 24, 2012, 3:42pm, markg wrote:| Who are these people that 'defend' the 'BBC' about their 'mass-wiping policy'? |
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I don't take note of who says it but there have been numerous posts on here excusing the BBC cos of the cost of VT, union policy at the time etc, despite the wipings still going on into the early days of Betamax. Surely someone in marketing could have anticiapted that Betamax and its successors would one day become mainstream and therefore provide a lucrative income? Not a dig at yourself, Mark, but there are others here that have made that "justification".
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« Reply #67 on Apr 24, 2012, 6:54pm » | |
Apr 24, 2012, 3:49pm, garyjordanbrum wrote:| FAO: mike and anybody else who seems to be knocking me 1 I do not abuse BBC it is criticism not abuse 2 if you were to read my previous posts (re:ITV) 3 read my archive posts on my TOTP blog http://www.gaztotp.blogspot.com you will see I have already asked ITV several times(over 10 years ago) for an archive music show so shut the f*** up, if you aint satisfied get off yer arse and do sommat yerself. Perhaps if some of you lot hadn't have been so up yer own arses afraid to say sommat years ago we wouldn't be still watching the same Crap that's been dished up for years, some of us have the Bollox to stand up and be counted. There's even comments on the BBC points of view asking why the same stuff is being shown, I'm not one who shy's away from saying it how it is to BBC, ITV, bands/artists their managements or record companies no f***er dictates to me what I can or can not say either on a message board or anywhere else. Wtf got off his arse 20 years ago and bought you lot sounds of TOTP2 amongst others including the two TOTP 25th video you should be thanking me not stabbing me in the back if you don't like what I write don't f****** read it. |
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All I said was
'Don't you prefer digital upgrades of this old VHS material?'
Why are you so aggressive?
I'm fed up with all this nonsense...
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« Reply #68 on Apr 24, 2012, 7:48pm » | |
"I don't take note of who says it but there have been numerous posts on here excusing the BBC cos of the cost of VT, union policy at the time etc, despite the wipings still going on into the early days of Betamax. Surely someone in marketing could have anticiapted that Betamax and its successors would one day become mainstream and therefore provide a lucrative income? ".
Another excuse for wiping the early TOTP episodes (1964-1970) was because they were recorded in black & white and as colour TV was being introduced and becoming more widespread people wouldn't want to watch black and white footage anymore. 
On a lighter note and to show how far technology has come I worked out I can store about 316 episodes (6 years worth) of TOTP (45 minutes per episode) on my external hard drive (1T) recorded @ broadcast quality using the highest bitrate possible.
Sadly the technology arrived 40 years too late. 
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« Reply #69 on Apr 25, 2012, 7:11am » | |
A small point it may be but actually, none of the clips in this week's Sounds Of The 70s 2 WERE present in the original 1993 series. Same goes for last week's programme. Granted, most of them have been on TOTP2 and other compilations but the Beeb's claim that nothing would be repeated from the first series still stands as far as I can see!
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« Reply #70 on Apr 25, 2012, 8:28am » | |
SOT70s2ep1 was a perfect half-hour encapsulation! (didn't see all of ep2 but no reason to think that wasn't also)
Make them a DVD (with captions in the book not on-screen), and I'd buy one!
Obviously, licensing issues will probably prevent it, let alone the BBC being fairly inert about doing stuff like that. (I know 'Later' has a fair few, there are a small number of OGWT ones, but that's about all)
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« Reply #71 on Apr 25, 2012, 11:34am » | |
In an attempt to sum up this whole argument - with regards to the BBC wiping episodes of TOTP until 1977 why doesn't everyone just stay on the same side because hindsight is a wonderful thing! I'm sure the Beeb had their reasons at the time or didn't know any better to think about saving every week's episode so even though we don't like it or have a time machine/magic wand to return these shows surely the fun is in the chase of recovering what still exists...otherwise this website wouldn't exist! I seriously believe there is so much more out there so let's just keep searching whilst making the most of what we have right now 
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« Reply #72 on Apr 29, 2012, 10:45am » | |
The first Sounds of The Seventies was flawed by the inclusion of Rod Stewart. This was not a TOTP studio performance and wasn't even a film exclusively made for TOTP. It was the record company promo. Great song, great artist - but stuck out like a sore thumb amongst the guenuine studio stuff.
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« Reply #73 on Apr 29, 2012, 12:58pm » | |
Apr 25, 2012, 11:34am, richardbird wrote:| In an attempt to sum up this whole argument - with regards to the BBC wiping episodes of TOTP until 1977 why doesn't everyone just stay on the same side because hindsight is a wonderful thing! I'm sure the Beeb had their reasons at the time or didn't know any better to think about saving every week's episode so even though we don't like it or have a time machine/magic wand to return these shows surely the fun is in the chase of recovering what still exists...otherwise this website wouldn't exist! I seriously believe there is so much more out there so let's just keep searching whilst making the most of what we have right now |
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Couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #74 on Apr 29, 2012, 1:39pm » | |
Hmmm, two ways of looking at that. It's also a very neat way of excusing the wipings as nothing to be particularly bothered about. 
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