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Oliver Roemer
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« Thread Started on Sept 22, 2011, 12:56pm » | |
Hi everybody,
I just realised, that BBC Four not only severely edited the "Top Of The Pops" re-screenings to fulfill their timeslot, but that they also did this with a lot of other music programmes such as the re-screenings of the "Sounds Of The 70's" series, even shortened some of the existing tracks! When will they stop this mutilating, can't they leave anything in its original state? 
Question: Did they also did this with the original "Sounds Of The Sixties" Series?
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« Reply #1 on Sept 22, 2011, 1:50pm » | |
I’ve just been putting together details of those two series for a website. I never bothered watching the repeats but Sounds of the 70s originally had a longer time slot than Sounds of the 60s, so I would presume (other than the 5/10 minute snack sized run that they showed on BBC4 to open the evening schedules a while back) that Sounds of the 60swere always shown complete and it was just Sounds of the 70s that was cut.
I’m pretty sure Programme 1 of Sounds of the 70s had David Cassidy and Alvin Stardust excised and maybe some of the continuity bits too, X-Ray Specs was definitely missing from a repeat of the punk show and sadly it appears to be the cut versions that are circulating on the net.
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« Reply #2 on Sept 22, 2011, 3:13pm » | |
Time to dig out the VHS tapes again then!
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« Reply #3 on Sept 23, 2011, 9:12am » | |
Here’s the track listings for the original broadcasts, with the exception of Show 3 which I didn’t note down at the time, so it’s just the repeat line-up for that particular edition. I’ve also added the original broadcast date for each performance, or at least those I’ve been able to work out!
Episode 1 "The Clothes I Love to Wear" - BBC2 Saturday 16th January 1993, 7:15-7:50pm
T Rex - "Hot Love" (Top of the Pops, 25/Mar/1971)
The Sweet - "Blockbuster" (Top of the Pops, 25/Jan/1973)
Slade - "Mama Were All Crazee Now" (Top of the Pops, 28/Dec/1972)
Gary Glitter - "I Love You Love Me Love" (Top of the Pops, 15/Nov/1973)
Mott the Hoople - "Roll Away the Stone" (Top of the Pops, 15/Nov/1973)
Mud - "Tiger Feet" (Top of the Pops, 27/Dec/1974)
Alvin Stardust - "Jealous Mind" (Top of the Pops, 27/Dec/1974)
Suzi Quatro - "Devil Gate Drive" (Top of the Pops, sourced from 27/Dec/1974)
David Cassidy - "Some Kind of Summer" (Top of the Pops, 1973)
Donny Osmond - "Puppy Love" (The Osmonds, 1974)
The Bay City Rollers - "By Bye Baby" (Crackerjack, 1975)
Episode 2 "Satin and Tat" - BBC2 Saturday 23rd January 1993, 7:15-7:50pm
Moody Blues - "Question" (It’s Lulu, 29/Aug/1970)
The Who - "Won’t Get Fooled Again" (Top of the Pops, 15/Jul/1971)
The Rolling Stones - "Brown Sugar" (Top of the Pops, 15/Apr/1971)
The Faces - "Stay With Me" (Sounds for Saturday, 01/Apr/1972)
David Bowie - "Queen Bitch" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 08/Feb/1972)
Roxy Music - "Ladytron" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 20/Jun/1972)
Queen - "Killer Queen" (Top of the Pops, 27/Dec/1974)
Elton John - "The Bitch is Back" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 24/Dec/1974)
Episode 3 "Can You Feel the Force" - BBC2 Saturday 30th January 1993, 7:10-7:45pm
Aretha Franklin - "Don't Play That Song Again" (The Cliff Richard Show, 31/Aug/1970)
Temptations - "Cant Get Next to You" (Top of the Pops, 05/Feb/1970)
The Jacksons "Rockin' Robin" (Top of the Pops, sourced from 28/Dec/1972)
Gladys Knight - "Help Me Make it Through the Night" (Full House, 28/Oct/1972)
Bill Withers - "Ain't No sunshine" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 21/Nov/1972)
Labelle - "Lady Marmalade" (In Concert, 08/Mar/1975)
Rose Royce - "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" (Top of the Pops, 28/Sep/1978)
Real Thing - "Can You Feel the Force" (Top of the Pops, 1979)
*I think The Three Degrees and Chic were included on the original broadcast.
Episode 4 "Free to Be Me" - BBC2 Saturday 20th February 1993, 7:15-7:50pm
Free - "All Right Now" (Top of the Pops, 04/Jun/1970)
Deep Purple - "Black Night" (Top of the Pops, 10/Sep/1970)
Jethro Tull - "The Witch’s Promise" (Top of the Pops, 29/Jan/1970)
Yes - "Yours is No Disgrace" (Sounding Out, 10/Jan/1972)
Focus - "Sylvia" (OGWT, 12/Dec/1972)
Captain Beefheart - "Upon the My Oh My" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 18/Jun/1974)
Sensational Alex Harvey Band - "Delilah" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 30/May/1975)
Dr Feelgood - "Roxette" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 14/Mar/1975)
Episode 5 "Days I Knew Then" - BBC2 Saturday 27th February 1993, 7:25-8:00pm
Carpenters - "Close to You" (In Concert, 06/Nov/1971)
Abba - "Waterloo" (Top of the Pops, Spring 1974)
Sparks - "This Town Ain’t Big Enough" (Top of the Pops, sourced from 27/Dec/1974)
Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - "Make Me Smile" (Top of the Pops, 23/Dec/1975)
David Essex - "Gonna Make You a Star" (In Concert, 18/Jan/1975)
10cc - "I’m Not in Love" (Top of the Pops, 25/Dec/1975)
Wings - "Mull of Kintyre" (Mike Yarwood Christmas Show, 25/Dec/1977)
Kate Bush - "Wuthering Heights" (Top of the Pops, 1978)
Boney M - "Rasputin" (Top of the Pops, 1978)
Episode 6 "Long Ago and Far Away" - BBC2 Saturday 6th March 1993, 7:10-7:45pm
Carole King - "Natural Woman" (In Concert, 02/Oct/1971)
James Taylor - "Fire & Rain" (In Concert, 16/Nov/1970)
Neil Young - "Heart of Gold" (In Concert, 26/Apr/1971)
Randy Newman - "Political Science" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 28/Mar/1972)
Don McLean - "Vincent" (Sounds For Saturday, 29/Jul/1972)
Paul Simon - "American Tune" (Parkinson, 1975)
Janis Ian - "At Seventeen" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 12/Oct/1976)
Joan Armatrading - "Love and Affection" (Sight & Sound in Concert, 12/Nov/1977)
Episode 7 "Come Home to You" - BBC2 Saturday 13th March 1993, 7:15-7:50pm
The Eagles - "Take it Easy" (In Concert, 05/Apr/1973)
Hall & Oates - "She’s Gone" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 18/May/1976)
Little Feat - "Fat Man in the Bathtub" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 17/Jan/1975)
Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Sweet Home Alabama" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 11/Apr/1975)
Peter Frampton - "Show Me the Way" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 26/Oct/1976)
Eric Clapton - "I Shot the Sheriff" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1977)
Dire Straits - "Sultans Of Swing" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 16/May/1978)
Episode 8 "Smash it Up" - BBC2 Saturday 20th March 1993, 7:10-7:45pm
The Clash - "Tommy Gun" (Something Else, 11/Mar/1978)
Buzzcocks - "16 Again" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 14/Nov/1978)
X-Ray Specs - "Artificial" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 05/Dec/1978)
The Damned - "Smash it Up" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 06/Nov/1979)
The Stranglers - "Hanging Around" (Rock Goes to College, 1978) Possibly untransmitted in 78, they walked off stage and aborted the gig
The Jam - "The Eton Rifles" (Something Else, 1979)
Siouxsie & the Banshees - "Love in a Void" (Something Else, 03/Nov/1979)
The Undertones - "Jimmy Jimmy" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 06/Mar/1979)
Magazine - "Definitive Gaze" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1978)
Joy Division - "Transmission" (Something Else, 15/Sep/1979)
Episode 9 "The Boy Looked at Johnny" - BBC2 Saturday 27th March 1993, 6:50-7:25pm
Alice Cooper - "Under My Wheels" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 09/Nov/1971)
New York Dolls - "Jet Boy" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 27/Nov/1973)
Patti Smith - "Horses" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 11/May/1976)
Iggy Pop - "I’m Bored" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 24/Apr/1979)
The Ramones - "Don’t Come Close" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1978)
Blondie - "(I’m Always Touched By Your) Presence Dear" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 07/Mar/1978)
Talking Heads - "Psycho Killer" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 31/Jan/1978)
Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers - "Listen to Her Heart" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1977)
Bruce Springsteen (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1979)
Episode 10 "Shut Up and Dance" - BBC2 Saturday 3rd April 1993, 6:40-7:15pm
Ian Dury & the Blockheads - "Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll" (Sight & Sound in Concert, 10/Dec/1977)
The Police - "Message in a Bottle" (Rock Goes to College, 24/02/1979)
The Boomtown Rats - "Rat Trap" (Top of the Pops, 1978)
Elvis Costello & the Attractions - "Oliver’s Army" (Top of the Pops, 08/Feb/1979)
Simple Minds - "Chelsea Girl" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1979)
Kraftwerk - "Autobahn" (Tomorrows World, Autumn 1975)
The Human League - "Early Grave" (Mainstream, Late 1979)
The Specials - "Too Much Too Young" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 1979)
Madness - "Night Boat to Cairo" (Old Grey Whistle Test, 11/Dec/1979)
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| | Re: Edits on BBC Four - Sounds Of The 70's
« Reply #4 on Sept 23, 2011, 9:33am » | |
The David Cassidy is from 22/03/73, and the only surviving clip, sourced from a copy used on Blue Peter 26/03/73, according to Pete Seaton's Poptastic.
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« Reply #5 on Sept 23, 2011, 9:42am » | |
I was wondering about the Cassidy clip, all the performances were flagged as missing on the old TOTP database.
Another problematic one is Dave Dee DBM&T "Hold Tight" on Sounds of the 60s, it’s captioned as 1965, but I think it must be early 1966. One site had it down as being recorded in March 1966, but “Blue Peter” wasn’t broadcast on the date given and I would have thought it was all done live in those days. BFI has one edition from 1966, tx’d February, so maybe it’s from that?
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« Reply #6 on Sept 23, 2011, 2:51pm » | |
Sept 23, 2011, 9:42am, Syd Vliet wrote:I was wondering about the Cassidy clip, all the performances were flagged as missing on the old TOTP database.
Another problematic one is Dave Dee DBM&T "Hold Tight" on Sounds of the 60s, it’s captioned as 1965, but I think it must be early 1966. One site had it down as being recorded in March 1966, but “Blue Peter” wasn’t broadcast on the date given and I would have thought it was all done live in those days. BFI has one edition from 1966, tx’d February, so maybe it’s from that? |
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I can actually remember watching "Hold tight" with its fairground ride in the mid sixtes.Dont ask me the transmission date though.
To see it again on Sounds of the sixtes blew me away.
Presumed it was just another lost clip like the TOTPS I watched.
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« Reply #7 on Sept 23, 2011, 3:00pm » | |
Sounds of the Seventies was a 35 minute show and every repeat run since then has edited it down to thirty minutes, including the first BBC2 repeat run in 1994. The first episode was edited down by removing David Cassidy, but when it was repeated on BBC4 in 2005, they put him back in and took Gary Glitter out. Their own fault for making it 35 minutes in the first place.
Sounds of the Sixties was never edited on BBC4 as it was half an hour, but the repeat run on Yesterday this week is being edited to cram adverts in.
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« Reply #8 on Sept 23, 2011, 3:41pm » | |
The DDDBMT IS Blue Peter. I have a date of 15/03/66, but I'm not a Blue Peter expert!
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« Reply #9 on Sept 23, 2011, 4:13pm » | |
Tuesday 15th March 1966 is the date given on the BR Music DDDBM&T Greatest hits compilation. 
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« Reply #10 on Sept 23, 2011, 6:47pm » | |
Tuesday 15th March 1966 would have to be the date of recording (or a mistake that‘s been repeated everywhere since), “Blue Peter” wasn’t going out on Tuesdays by that time, it was on Mondays and Thursdays. The BBC1 schedule for Tuesday 15th March was….
4:10 Middle School Physics
4:30 Racing from Cheltenham
4:45 Jackanory: A Bear in Hot Water
5:00 Hiram Holiday (A short comedy film)
5:25 Tom Tom
5:50 Peter’s Adventures (Cartoon from Hungary)
5:55 News
If DDDBM&T were recorded on Tuesday 15th March, then they must have been shown on Thursday 17th March.
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« Reply #11 on Oct 11, 2011, 8:27pm » | |
Further to Syd Vliet listening of Sounds of the 70's, I can confirm after watching the original transmission again on VHS!! In Episode Three, after the Bill Withers clip the Three Degrees performed "Year of Decision" from "It's Cliff Richard" in 1974 and following Labelle's performance, Chic performed "Le Freak" from Top Of The Pops 1979.
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« Reply #12 on Oct 12, 2011, 10:13am » | |
Thanks Paul, nice to have that one cleared up at last. The Three Degrees appearance would have been broadcast on 21st September 1974.
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« Reply #13 on Nov 29, 2011, 3:35pm » | |
I've checked my off-airs of the '95 repeats of 'Sounds of the 70s', and it appears that the final episode was re-edited a couple of times too. My copy omits the Boomtown Rats but the copies on the net leave out Simple Minds instead.
The Roxy Music and Chic songs turned up on the 'shorts' BBC4 used to run. I don't know about any of the other cuts.
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« Reply #14 on Dec 5, 2011, 6:00pm » | |
edits for time then, I thought they may be for glitter/King and the like
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