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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 10:53:32 GMT
I dont know if anyone has seen this pic before but i found it. I was on the wondeworld forum and a fan claims to have the tv performance of this. It may not be so but im trying to get more info.Looks like a screen shot me. Attachments:
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Post by Steve Flower on Sept 19, 2010 15:19:20 GMT
I think it could be, as the two things coming down behind Bowie and Ronson, would have been similar to the TOTP set at the time Jan 73 at a guess! As typified on this Elton John performance from the same month! www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1PPuznUaWE |
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Post by Paul Watkins on Sept 19, 2010 17:37:50 GMT
from memory, only the sound survives from a home recorded cassette tape but the source of the photo still remians a mystery. It's definately from totp It's from 4th January 1973. This is where the photo was published: (from wonderworld) - "If you look at the photograph, which is taken from page 60 in the 'Moonage Daydream' book by Dave Thompson" The book was published in 1987 so the chance of tracing it's source will be remote. It does appear to be a screen grab from some sort of telerecording of the clip. However it's possible that it was a photo taken from the tv at the time. I've seen similar photos with that purplish tint which were taken from a b&w tv though i'm no photographic expert. Here's the clip (you need realplayer to hear it, or download and play with vlc player.) www.bowiewonderworld.com/sounds/TOTP72.rm |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 7:45:56 GMT
Hi Paul yes i understand that the audio exists.Where this actaul pic came from ie who posted it on wonderworld i dont know.I wonder if Bowie actaully owns a copy of this performance?
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Post by peter w on Jul 10, 2011 13:23:12 GMT
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Post by LanceM on Jul 11, 2011 5:17:11 GMT
I know that the Jean Jeanie TOTP Audio bootleg has been around for some time.Was rather surprised as well at the length of the recording.Back in these early days you would often times set,record,then go off to do other items of interest,or just get plain distracted,happens to us all there!The reel to reel deck would be left recording until the tape ran out.Am guessing this may of been the case here,as might go a ways in explaining this longer duration recording.Just an educated guess there of course. I was also just reading on another forum,which actually was discussing this very photo on another related Early Bowie on TV. www.network54.com/Forum/8980/thread/1284571072/last-1284652015/Early+Television+AppearancesWas mentioned that this photo,as a member of the forum stated: "I first saw that picture in the 80's book Moonage Daydream although it was captioned as being Starman and less cropped. " The same poster also stated: Also, I've never been convinced that the audio from the Jean Genie on TOTP is genuine. A very odd version of the song, most unlike the live version from that era." This is new news here,as I did not see a mentioning of this being from one of the now-wiped Starman performances in the previous posts here in regards?Interesting indeed there. Was also stated that either the audio,or the Jean Jeanie performance-footage was sourced from a bootleg entitled "ZIGGY ON TV".Was unable to find specific performance-clip details there.If anyone has any further info on this one,would be very much appreciated in regards. Cheers,Lance. |
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Post by Tim Brown on Jul 11, 2011 10:16:46 GMT
The above images are from the JG TOTP's performance, Blammo on Bowienet is looking for more colour shots from this performance (See Bowienet news) at the moment.
I can confirm the version on the audio is geniune, I saw the performance at the time and it was a 'live' version lasting longer than the 7" version with different harmonica section & different vocals etc!
Now we get to the eternal Mike Read question, as footage was shown on Pop Quiz as a question clip on a early show and the subsequent loss of video footage and where did he get it from?
The thread about this has gone cold, can someone on here please ask Mr. Read for a definitive answer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 11:25:51 GMT
Now we get to the eternal Mike Read question, as footage was shown on Pop Quiz as a question clip on a early show and the subsequent loss of video footage and where did he get it from? The thread about this has gone cold, can someone on here please ask Mr. Read for a definitive answer? I'm wondering that if it's a possibility that the Bowie clip resides on a similar reel to the Stealers Wheel: Stuck In The Middle TOTP appearance (which only exists because the full clip was dubbed on to a reel for use in R&R Years / Pop Quiz in the early '80s and forgotten about until recently as the contents were not properly catalogued). Several of us recall seeing short clips on Pop Quiz that have not been seen since so maybe there is other material too which needs to be identified? |
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Post by Danny Payne on Jul 11, 2011 12:53:34 GMT
The rock 'n' roll years was broadcast around 86/87 ? so they use the original tape to "dub a copy" for the POP QUIZ show, you'r not telling me that the original 1973 show was then wiped/junked in the mid to late eighties ? surely not. I think there's probably a lot of material in boxes and cans maybe wrongly labelled, i bet the BBC haven't viewed everything single tape that exists in their vaults. I bet it's dusty done there lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 13:51:30 GMT
Well, more like early '80s, which is what happened with the Stealers Wheel example I gave, for Pop Quiz. That was what happened for sure (read the thread on Gerry Rafferty / Stealers Wheel for full info). I don't doubt there are other such tapes sitting around on shelves that hold unknown material, copied over for one reason or another and then forgotten.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jul 11, 2011 17:46:49 GMT
i bet the BBC haven't viewed everything single tape that exists in their vaults. I bet it's dusty done there lol As I believe all their 2" and 1" tapes have been transferred to digital formats, I think that actually pretty much most of them have been played. Or junked. |
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Post by peter w on Jul 11, 2011 19:13:41 GMT
Was mentioned that this photo,as a member of the forum stated: "I first saw that picture in the 80's book Moonage Daydream although it was captioned as being Starman and less cropped. " The same poster also stated: Also, I've never been convinced that the audio from the Jean Genie on TOTP is genuine. A very odd version of the song, most unlike the live version from that era." This is new news here,as I did not see a mentioning of this being from one of the now-wiped Starman performances in the previous posts here in regards?Interesting indeed there. Hi Lance, yes, the b&w (or purple pic here above) was in Dave Thompsons Moonage Daydream book from 87, and wrongly captioned. Some eagle eyed reader spotted the mistake. Regards missing Starman, theres only the one from Lift Off, and theres a fair few photos from that, he wears the same jumpsuit as the Starman performance from TOTPs. Regards the length of Jean Genie, and the live aspect, one can only assume that Bowie demanded it. Was also stated that either the audio,or the Jean Jeanie performance-footage was sourced from a bootleg entitled "ZIGGY ON TV".Was unable to find specific performance-clip details there.If anyone has any further info on this one,would be very much appreciated in regards. Ziggy On TV is a modern bootleg CD that just collected what Ziggy period TV audio is already out there. The actual source of the Jean Genie audio appears to be from the guy Mervyn writing at the bottom of this link. www.5years.com/tjgtotp.htm |
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Post by peter w on Jul 11, 2011 19:19:39 GMT
The above images are from the JG TOTP's performance, Blammo on Bowienet is looking for more colour shots from this performance (See Bowienet news) at the moment. I can confirm the version on the audio is geniune, I saw the performance at the time and it was a 'live' version lasting longer than the 7" version with different harmonica section & different vocals etc! Now we get to the eternal Mike Read question, as footage was shown on Pop Quiz as a question clip on a early show and the subsequent loss of video footage and where did he get it from? The thread about this has gone cold, can someone on here please ask Mr. Read for a definitive answer? Somebody at the Beeb seriously needs to get looking through the Pop Quiz vaults. Mayhap the whole performance has gone, but a decent clip of it via Pop Quiz would be something at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 19:29:42 GMT
I find it hard to believe the so called Top Of The Pops appearance was played on Pop Quiz. Surely if it was it would have been put on youtube by now? Probably the Mick Rock promo was shown, but until someone locates the Pop Quiz clip I don't believe it was featured.
I only have one old Pop Quiz featuring Clem Burke (Blondie) which I think might have used a Bowie clip, but it definately was NOT 'Jean Genie' from TOTP.
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Post by Danny Payne on Jul 11, 2011 20:14:51 GMT
I know this may sound a bit far fetched but one of my theories is this, just say they get their 1" or 2" tape and decide to record over the forty minute TOTP episode with a 30 minute episode of say Porridge (there were more 30 min shows than 40 minutes) then surely there must be tapes filed away archived that might have 10 mins of TOTP at the ends.....(if this was the case we'd have a lot of number ones and end credits to watch, such a shame
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