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Not Only...But Also... BFI Screening
« Thread Started on Mar 13, 2012, 6:55pm »

I was fortunate enough to be at the Not Only...But Also... screening at The BFI last night (12 March). Much of the material was new to me and indeed Dick Fuddy mentioned at the start that the hour long pilot had been found and that formed a lot of the 90 minutes we saw. Has it only turned up recently?

It was great to see that the screening was so popular that it had to be moved from NFT 3 to NFT1 - and by no means all of the audience would have seen Pete & Dud in their prime. There is still an audience for good monochrome material.

Shame the wife beating "punchline" to a "gag" got a laugh from the audience unless they, like me, thought it was Pete & Dud being satirical.

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« Reply #1 on Mar 14, 2012, 11:47am »

I thought the pilot hadn't ever been missing, though Dick Fiddy did say that they'd "found" the recording of it. Perhaps he just meant "found" as in went to look for it and there it was, as it should be. I don't think I've ever seen the full version of the opening to that, with Dudley piano-ing through the car-wash...I haven't had a chance to check the version on the compilations, but I don't recall the guy limbo-ing under the piano. I might well be wrong about that, though, maybe I'd just forgotten that bit.
The Peter Sellers stuff was all new to me, though, the Painter Boxer sketch and The Gourmets. (The Moule!) Great to finally get to see some of that recently discovered episode. I see to recall that BBC4 were going to show it, but it was too expensive or something like that. The Betty Pringle Singers thing was new to me as well, and I'm not sure I'd ever seen Pete and Dud on Superstitions before; I know the audio very well, but the video was unfamiliar I think...my brain is old and addled, I could be wrong.
The "wife-beating" comment, what the Dagenham "rotten little'un" Dodger does in his spare time: it isn't meant to be a "ha ha wife-beating is inherently funny" joke, it's largely like the Summarise Proust hobbies joke on Python in the way it works. I don't think these days "wife-beating" would be used as the punchline to that, satirical or not, sensitivities have changed, but I would think the audience were just as bright as you and appreciated it as a joke of the time in the style it was intended.
I certainly laughed, and I checked my brain later, and it was certainly in the "right way", so all was well.
Still no sign of the Good vs Evil cricket match, sadly, but that is on You Tube now, so at least I've seen it. I was also wondering about the items from the 06/02/65 show "Menswear Shop (missing the end)" and "The Great War (existence unverified)": certainly there was no sign of either item in this new compilation, but do we know how much of the Menswear Shop sketch is missing, and if The Great War has been verified as existing yet?
Then, of course, there are all the audios of much of the missing material. There do seem to be rumblings about a NOBA cd, which I hope would be making use of this stuff, when/if it finally appears.
Anyway, a great evening, wonderful to see new NOBA material, and good to see so many people there too, so big thanks to Dick Fiddy for all his work there. Oh, and wonderful that Joe McGrath was there to introduce it too.
In summary: huzzah

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Re: Not Only...But Also... BFI Screening
« Reply #2 on Mar 14, 2012, 8:15pm »

When will the BBC release a DVD collection "All That's Left Of NOT ONLY... BUT ALSO"? With every scrap of material of Cook and Moore that they have including all the audio recordings accompanied by on set photographs and the like. All we have got have been compilations over the years.

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« Reply #3 on Mar 15, 2012, 1:04am »

Hi there - Great War does exist, and Menswear Shop is actually likely to be virtually complete, just marred by an abrupt edit at the end of the sketch (whether or not as a result of Joe McGrath's transferring the episodes onto film - which is the reason they survive today - or the original vision mixing, I don't know). Certainly the script as included in the "Goodbye Again" collection - transcribed from the video, as the scripts for series one don't exist - ends with an almost unusually hard punchline for NOBA - "Hard wearing? It's practically impossible!"

The latter misapprehension stems from Harry Thompson's Cook bio, but the Great War one I think I'm responsible for spreading onto the web over a decade ago, possibly as a result of a Pub & Bed (Cook fanzine) episode guide which said the sketch might be missing. But it has been seen and verified since, so I think it's pretty fair to say that the episode, which also includes "Worst Thing in the World" and "Alan A'Dale", exists complete.

Not, of course, that one can actually see it.

On that note, I was absolutely livid not to be able to get to the BFI Cook season, as NOBA's my favourite TV show, even in its patchwork state. Could anyone who saw the new compilation have a go at itemising the sketches included?

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« Reply #4 on Mar 15, 2012, 11:32pm »

William, thanks so much for the information about the Menswear shop and The Great War sketches. And, indeed, much thanks to Joe McGrath for transferring this material onto film so hopefully they can be seen again.
I'll consult my memory and a few notes I made and get back to you about itemising the sketches that were shown on Monday.
Does anyone know if the third series audios are from the original BBC2 showings, or the edited BBc1 repeats? Great that they exist in any event, just curious. And are there any mute film sequences that could be married up to the recently discovered off-air audios?

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« Reply #5 on Mar 16, 2012, 1:49am »

Thanks Geoff! I look forward to that.

And sadly no, as the only mute film sequences we have are for series one episode five... the only missing episode for which we don't have any audio recording!

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« Reply #6 on Mar 19, 2012, 10:44am »

Ok, finally pieced it together correctly I think, this is what was shown at BFI Southbank last Monday:
Dick Fiddy and Joe McGrath did a quick introduction leading into the Car Wash opening from the pilot.
Joe McGrath then spoke some more about working on the show, followed by some sections from 'Success Story', with Cook and Moore talking about NOBA (featuring clips from Bo Dudley, Superthunderstingcar and Art Gallery)
Then it was the new compilation, consisting of:
Underwater Pianist opening (including the bit after that of Cook and Moore in the studio introducing the show)
The Mabel Pringle Singers (Britain's answer to The Swingle Singers, musical sketch with Dudley, Sheila Steafel, Norman Rossington (I think), and another fellow who I probably should recognise who held up a card saying "TING" at the beginnning and the end of the piece, but disappeared for most of the number)
The Ravens
Boxer-cum-Painter
Dudley Moore Trio (probably 'I Love You Samantha', I think...there was definitely a girl's name beginning with 'S' on Dudley's music sheet!)
Superstitions
The Gourmets
John Lennon - The Wrestling Dog
Initials
Fight of the Century
A Bit of a Chat
Cilla Black - 'If I Fell', leading into 'Goodbye'
Underwater Pianist closing credits

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Re: Not Only...But Also... BFI Screening
« Reply #7 on Mar 19, 2012, 11:00am »

Mar 14, 2012, 11:47am, Geoff Sear wrote:

The guy limboing under the piano was on the version shown in the TV Heaven series in 1992 (by coincidence I watched it only a few days ago).

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Re: Not Only...But Also... BFI Screening
« Reply #8 on Mar 19, 2012, 11:14am »

Mar 19, 2012, 11:00am, Ian Wegg wrote:

The guy limboing under the piano was on the version shown in the TV Heaven series in 1992 (by coincidence I watched it only a few days ago).

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Thanks for that. I'm sure he probably was on the BBC 2 compilation when they showed that opening sequence as well, just my memory playing up I expect.

Looking at the episode guide I noticed that I definitely wouldn't have seen Pete and Dud on Superstitions before, as that was from the Peter Sellers show.

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