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Telerecording in Holland
« Thread Started on Jan 28, 2012, 11:42pm »
First of all, Hello!.

I'm Michel and living in the Netherlands (Holland). I´m freelance researcher / video editor. I am collecting, digitizing and archiving old footage. I was wondering what the oldest telerecording footage is from the BBC?. By the Dutch television was the first telerecording on September 16, 1952 (!). I know that The Quatermass Experiment is served. Who can me give more information about this (pre) tape-recording.

Greetz, Michel.


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« Reply #1 on Jan 28, 2012, 11:47pm »
See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope
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« Reply #2 on Jan 29, 2012, 12:19am »
They experimented with recording TV signals back in 1933. However, they couldn't actually play back the recordings. It wasn't until 1990's that the earliest recordings could be decoded and played back.

Here's the world's earliest TV broadcast that survives: http://www.tvdawn.com/silvaton.HTM
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« Reply #3 on Jan 29, 2012, 1:56am »
sounds fascinating. .would love to see the video
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« Reply #4 on Jan 29, 2012, 9:00am »

Jan 29, 2012, 1:56am, George D wrote:
sounds fascinating. .would love to see the video


It was shown at, iirc, MBW a few years ago - interesting.
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« Reply #5 on Jan 29, 2012, 9:34am »

Jan 29, 2012, 12:19am, Pete Morris wrote:
They experimented with recording TV signals back in 1933. However, they couldn't actually play back the recordings. It wasn't until 1990's that the earliest recordings could be decoded and played back.

Here's the world's earliest TV broadcast that survives: http://www.tvdawn.com/silvaton.HTM

But that wasn't telerecorded.
The oldest, or certainly the oldest surviving, telecine/kinescope material must be that of nazi Germany (no Godwin intended). They had a television service and a lot of shows survive on film: interviews, variety, cooking shows, gardening...
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« Reply #6 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:26am »
Thanx everyone for the reactions!. The oldest telerecording I've ever seen is the Celebrating of 30 Years AVRO from 1953. This including testcard en in-vision announcer. The mostly telerecordings are severed beginning from 1953.
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« Reply #7 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:37am »
I've sent you a PM, Mic.

The oldest actual telerecording of a live studio show that the BBC have, I think, is from 1947. This is an extract from a variety show. There aren't too many others from that time existing though, apart from programmes which were originated on film in the first place (such as Television Newsreel, which began around the same time) and the demonstration / opening films used to publicise the television service.
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« Reply #8 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:38am »
I'm guessing that party political broadcasts in Germany in the 30s were more interesting than the ones we're used to.

Unmissable,I'd have thought.Literally.
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« Reply #9 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:43am »
I think the 1930s German TV was all originated on film though, which is possibly not what Mic was asking about. I'm presuming he meant live studio programmes that were t/r'd as they went out rather than filmed series as such.
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« Reply #10 on Jan 29, 2012, 10:51am »
Good point.It's got me wondering if there's a correlation between the nature of a government-how authoritarian it is-and its attitude to live broadcasts.
Nazi Germany obviously had its propaganda ministry,while Australia ordered bits cut out of Doctor Who episodes,and wanted to have the clips in their files as proof that they weren't going to be broadcast.
Live TV must seem so much more dangerous and uncontrollable.
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« Reply #11 on Jan 29, 2012, 12:04pm »
Without having seen all of the documentary, I'd guess the nazi TV shows may have voluntarily taken the direction required? After all, the nazi party had SEEMINGLY rescued the country from oblivion. So it may have been self-imposed.
I've had a quick look at the doc. and it seems many items were pre-recorded, so we're not dealing with telerecordings here. It seems reliable audio tape (the magnetophone) was also first develloped in nazi Germany. I'm only surprised they didn't invent reality tv and chat shows, but that's probably just because the war interfered.


AAMOF the Dutch "beeld en geluid" archive does have some BBC telecine material from 25-04-1953, from an experimental relay, containing footage from Café Continental. (I mentioned this to Andrew Martin in the past so I assume it's been looked into.)
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« Reply #12 on Jan 29, 2012, 12:40pm »
The Dutch ´Beeld en Geluid´ have the earliest telerecording material from 16-09-1952. That is also the very first telerecording footage from the early days in Dutch television. Al those material were filmed by Multifilm on 16 or 35 MM films. The first broadcast from the NTS was on October 2, 1951.
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Re: Telerecording in Holland
« Reply #13 on Jan 29, 2012, 2:42pm »
AFAIK this is the earliest surviving BBC telerecording

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J16UHcWbj....3DE352E8CE516BC
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« Reply #14 on Jan 29, 2012, 2:55pm »
Yes, that's the one I was talking about. October 1947.
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