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Laurence Piper
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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #15 on Dec 16, 2011, 1:51pm »

Yes, Kal do indeed store / archive material themselves. Material includes the huge Bob Monkhouse collection and other miscellaneous material (broadcast quality and otherwise) on behalf of UK boadcasters.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #16 on Dec 16, 2011, 2:10pm »

Dec 16, 2011, 1:18pm, Alex Taylor wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but do Kal actually maintain an archive of their own, then? I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that they chiefly acted as an intermediary between people returning material and the rights-holders.

I'd have thought that the primary rights would still be with Henson - Disney only bought the Muppets, Henson still retain control over Fraggle Rock.

To make things more awkward, TVS is, as an archive, rather than the name, owned by the Disney Channel.

""TVS Entertainment was sold on 1 February 1993 to the American Company International Family Entertainment Inc. (IFE). Later that year in September, IFE launched a UK version of The Family Channel based in The Maidstone Studios and using some elements of the TVS programme archive. Flextech were a partner in the venture, taking a 39% stake in the business.

In 1996 IFE sold its remaining 61% share to Flextech, giving them full ownership of the venture, and subsequently in March 1997 Flextech rebranded the channel to Challenge TV, focusing mainly on game shows. Meanwhile, also in 1997, IFE was sold to Fox Kids Worldwide, which in turn was acquired by Disney in 2001. As a result, most of the TVS archive is now in their hands, although much of it is understood to be largely inaccessible due to the paperwork detailing programme contributors, rights agreements, etc., having been lost in the intervening years.

In 2006 the name "Television South Ltd", "TVS" and the colour logo device were transferred and re-registered at the Trademarks Office to lighting cameraman Keith Jacobsen, and TVS now trades as an independent production company with no links to the previous company.""

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #17 on Apr 15, 2012, 2:37am »

Dec 16, 2011, 12:53pm, Alex Taylor wrote:

There were four versions of the show: US, UK, France and Germany. Each one had locally-shot scenes for 'our' world; in the UK the show was set in and under a lighthouse (St Anthony's in Cornwall was used for the exteriors) and originally starred Fulton Mackay as the lighthouse-keeper. Countries which chose not to shoot their own scenes simply took the US show, dubbed where necessary. I don't have any reason to suppose that the UK version was ever seen outside this country.

All of the US episodes exist, of course, and are available on DVD; similarly all of the German shows are available to buy. I don't know exactly how many of the French episodes are out there, but 26 were released on DVD by Sony about eight years ago. HiT Entertainment released 12 UK episodes a few years back, and a letter from them at the time stated that despite searches, those were the only episodes which could be located by Henson.

All told, Mackay appeared in 48 shows, produced from 1983-84 and shown from 84-87. The surviving 12 are all from this period. After his death, John Gordon-Sinclair played the new keeper for 24 episodes and Simon O'Brien replaced him for the final 24.

It is of course possible that the tapes are still in the ex-TVS library, but AIUI the paperwork has gone missing...

I do hope that there are more off-airs out there, but most of the episodes were AFAIK only shown once so the odds are not great. Most of the recordings I have came from someone who actually worked on the show.

I had noticed that lostshows.com claims that the series 'exists complete' - I'd love to know where they believe the episodes to be, and I'm sure Henson would like this information too

They also list four episodes by title as being 'in the archive' (plus one animated episode).

This is what I currently know:
www.nightshade.org.uk/fraggleuk.html

With the exception of 'The Lost Treasure of the Fraggles', I have a copy of everything which has an Archive Status entry.

The BFI's public-facing database lists a number of episodes, including 18 which I do not have copies of, but it isn't clear whether this is simply a list of broadcasts or a list of shows they actually have.

I have a couple of other leads which I'm following up, but if anyone knows of the existence of any of the missing shows I'd be very grateful if you could get in touch!

In terms of getting copies to the relevant people, I'm going to try contacting Henson first. If they decide they're not interested in off-air recordings then Kal will be the next port of call

i would dearly love to see all the other episodes again but the one I want to see more than anything is Change Of Address. I didn't see it at the time and I would love to know how it compares with the US version.

Did I read somewhere that later series had new opening titles and that part of the titles were seen on one of the US DVD extras? If so where did they get them from?

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #18 on Apr 16, 2012, 6:28pm »

Hi Ray here one for you investigate, TX it was a Saturday morning kids show from late 1985, it starred Tony Slattery, Sue Robbie and Alison Dowling, Alison also was appearing in The Archers (still is), but i have vague memories of the (ITV) show going to the studio - so bottom line does this still exist thank you

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #19 on Apr 16, 2012, 6:54pm »

I remember TX was quite a bit different from most Saturday morning shows, drier & a bit less zany than most.

It was the first place I remember seeing Frank Sidebottom.

The game show featured was Knock Your Block Off.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #20 on Apr 16, 2012, 8:04pm »

i think the rights to the fraggles are owned by lionsgate according to itunes.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #21 on Apr 16, 2012, 9:02pm »

Apr 16, 2012, 8:04pm, christian bews wrote:

i think the rights to the fraggles are owned by lionsgate according to itunes.

Lionsgate are the current licensee for the DVD releases. Henson own the rights to the show, and always have. The complication with the UK version is that it was a co-production with TVS, and the question is who currently owns the rights to the TVS-produced segments. It's almost certainly Disney, so there may be hope: whilst Disney do not own Fraggle Rock itself, they do own the Muppets and thus have close ties to Henson. *If* the tapes still exist then at least in principle something could be done.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #22 on Apr 17, 2012, 7:49am »

Apr 16, 2012, 6:28pm, paulrogers wrote:

I'm going to be a namedropping so-and-so now....Tony came to my birthday in January in Farnham. I mentioned whether he may have some video tapes from the 80's or 90's. He said he might. I haven't followed this up yet for various reasons, but I will try to.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #23 on Apr 17, 2012, 3:19pm »

Dec 16, 2011, 12:53pm, Alex Taylor wrote:

The BFI's public-facing database lists a number of episodes, including 18 which I do not have copies of, but it isn't clear whether this is simply a list of broadcasts or a list of shows they actually have.

The database on the BFI website is just a list of broadcasts. I think the only way to find out if they hold a particular programme is to contact them.

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Re: 80's Wipings
« Reply #24 on Apr 17, 2012, 3:38pm »

Apr 17, 2012, 3:19pm, Ian Wegg wrote:

Dec 16, 2011, 12:53pm, Alex Taylor wrote:

The database on the BFI website is just a list of broadcasts. I think the only way to find out if they hold a particular programme is to contact them.

~iw

Yes, I've established what they do in fact hold and the details are on my site

All told they have 19 episodes, two of which are available on DVD, and I have VHS copies of a further six.

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