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felixdembinski
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« Reply #15 on Aug 6, 2010, 6:03pm » | |
Was a "slowed down" effect added to the ending? In the OUT OF THE UNKNOWN GUIDE it says that Mrs Ramsey screams at the end of the play but on the audio no scream can be heard. Was the ending like the silent scream at the end of WELCOME HOME?
When were the majority of the Out of the Unknown plays recovered. Where most of them never lost like the dr who episodes UNDERWATER MENACE 3 and THE SPACE PIRATES 2 or where they returned by a collector or found during a later archive purge or returned from a foreign archive. I known that TUNNEL UNDER THE WORLD was returned in 2004, LEVEL 7 was returned in 2006 and half of THE LITTLE BLACK BAG was found in scotland in 1999, but if all the other episodes where found never to of been missing in 1978, it doesn't fare well for other recoveries.
Also when were the audio clips discovered?
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« Reply #16 on Aug 10, 2010, 3:54pm » | |
I've integrated your OOTU threads, Felix, to keep things neat.
Apart from the three recoveries you mention, most of the other existing episodes have certainly been around a long time now (since the '80s at least). I'm not sure if they were always kept though - possibly some sales prints were uncovered at that time in the same way as most of the first couple of DW seasons were discovered at BBC Enterprises. Just a guess though. Perhaps someone can provide more info?
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« Reply #17 on Aug 10, 2010, 3:55pm » | |
thanks, it was getting a bit messy!
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« Reply #18 on Aug 17, 2010, 2:03pm » | |
Just some more general visual clues - not reply on the music - sorry!
Rosemary Mason was the sister of Marjory ('Talking to a Stanger' 1966 BBC series). Believe shes also the medium in DON'T LOOK NOW. She looked quite gaunt and worried but in UNINVITED had shadows made up round the eyes to make her look haggard. Brain Wilde was similar to his role in PEACOCK PIE but largely silent recall and dressed slightly like Crippen. Didn't have a moustache or glasses that I recall.
Bernard Hepton I think as Mr Pattison with black rimmed National Health glasses, as he seemed to wear anyway.
Interesting Michael J. Birds other plot for this season is similar. TO LAY A GHOST has a newly married young couple moving into a house wiht all mod cons haunted by a ghost from the past. UNIVITED had a newly retired (I think) couple moving into an old house haunted by a ghost from the future...
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« Reply #19 on Aug 23, 2010, 7:30pm » | |
Aug 10, 2010, 3:54pm, Laurence Piper wrote:I've integrated your OOTU threads, Felix, to keep things neat.
Apart from the three recoveries you mention, most of the other existing episodes have certainly been around a long time now (since the '80s at least). I'm not sure if they were always kept though - possibly some sales prints were uncovered at that time in the same way as most of the first couple of DW seasons were discovered at BBC Enterprises. Just a guess though. Perhaps someone can provide more info? |
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I recall reading 16mm sales prints and/or negatives of series 1 were found by Ian Levine and John Bridger in the same cabinets as Who in 1977 - 78.
Interesting to note that in each series found exactly 2 entries were missing. Perhaps there was an exact limit number per series allowed for a longer period only; due to copyright?
Of the 2 missing from series 1; the end titles ('FOX AND THE FOREST' and 'ANDOVER AND THE ANDROID' exist. This seems to be as the graphics dept. and Radiophonic workshop kept their own archives of examples of their work.
'MACHINE STOPS' was made as a 35mm TR for transmission. The BBC seemed to have a policy for Film and filmed inserts to be sent straight to the Film Library to store for repeat or production use. The 35mm recordings would be more expensive and could not be recycled so largely appear to survive. Also the NFA is known to have bought a print of that one;all factors which contribute to its survival.
Listings indicate that a large number of entries for series 1 and 2 were also made as 35mm TRs for broadcast. These were probably kept for a long period for reasons stated; but at least 2 of those 'Level seven'; and 'Tunnel under the world' seemed to have got into private collections. DWB published info on the first in the 90s.
Apparently 'Lambda I' from series 2 was a 16mm sales copy donated from a private collection. It was one of relatively few series 2 editions to go out in VT form. The most likely reason with this type of series is the extensive visual effects;easier to achieve on film. But in the same period many 'Adam Adamant Lives' were recorded as 35mm TRs.
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« Reply #20 on Aug 23, 2010, 7:37pm » | |
thanks for the info john, do you know if the existing color episodes where never lost (such as the ambassadors of death ep1) or are they NTSC converestions like inferno (i hope you excuse my mainly using dr who as examples but it's information is very well documented on the internet
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« Reply #21 on Aug 23, 2010, 7:44pm » | |
Aug 6, 2010, 6:03pm, felixdembinski wrote:Was a "slowed down" effect added to the ending? In the OUT OF THE UNKNOWN GUIDE it says that Mrs Ramsey screams at the end of the play but on the audio no scream can be heard. Was the ending like the silent scream at the end of WELCOME HOME?
When were the majority of the Out of the Unknown plays recovered. Where most of them never lost like the dr who episodes UNDERWATER MENACE 3 and THE SPACE PIRATES 2 or where they returned by a collector or found during a later archive purge or returned from a foreign archive. I known that TUNNEL UNDER THE WORLD was returned in 2004, LEVEL 7 was returned in 2006 and half of THE LITTLE BLACK BAG was found in scotland in 1999, but if all the other episodes where found never to of been missing in 1978, it doesn't fare well for other recoveries.
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I'll have to find the RT credits listing to identify 'which is which' of the two couples; as I thought the Ramseys were the ghosts, not the victims. I know which Actors played which.
If the Ramseys are the tenants, towards the end of the play the couple wake from the same hallucinations concluding it was all a dream. This despite the womans pressing concerns and enquiries as to whether something had happened in the houses past so terrible it had remained with it.
The reality itself then goes really bonkers; like a dream within a dream they can't wake out of. I seem to recall the male tenant clamping his hands over his ears and gesturing to scream. Following this both were seen with arms flung out and mouths wide but unheard as they span smaller and smaller into a vortex. As described earlier this was a device like the spiral on William Castels 'Circle of fear' keyed in behind them. They then wake again into 'real' reality.
There may have been a scene where the female tenant saw another image of the Victorian wife being murdered and went to scream and alert others but could not be heard.
The play didn't end with her screaming. They decide to sell the house after their traumatic experiences and place a classified ad in a newspaper. When they open the front door to the first applicants the two apparitions in the dreams are standing at the door implying it was a premonition.
There were two scenes in which the ghost I thought was Jessica Ramsey is seen in various stages of murder. Firstly as a corpse in a trunk found in the cupboard which became a kitchen near the start. Later the Brian Wilde Character is seen strangling the woman with a scarf from behind. She is dragged sideways out of view through a door, clasping at the scarf and trying but not able to scream due to loss of breath.
The third murder scene doesn't count as her face isn't seen. The Brian Wilde character is seen dragging the trunk seen earlier down the stairs. They are alerted by the thumping caused. The trunk I think was secured clumsily by a leather belt and the corpses arm seen to slump out.
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« Reply #22 on Aug 24, 2010, 8:43am » | |
According to the out of the unknown guide it ends with millie (you were right about who was who) screaming. I thought it must of been a slowed down silent scream like the end of welcolm home, but the guide must of got it wrong!
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« Reply #23 on Aug 24, 2010, 10:49am » | |
seeing as people seem remember alot about the uninvited and the yellow pill, does anyone remember anything about other season 4 episodes?
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« Reply #24 on Aug 28, 2010, 9:39am » | |
Aug 24, 2010, 10:49am, felixdembinski wrote:| seeing as people seem remember alot about the uninvited and the yellow pill, does anyone remember anything about other season 4 episodes? |
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These two stories have complete audio recording remember!
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« Reply #25 on Aug 28, 2010, 3:06pm » | |
Aug 24, 2010, 10:49am, felixdembinski wrote:| seeing as people seem remember alot about the uninvited and the yellow pill, does anyone remember anything about other season 4 episodes? |
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I recall various about THE CHOPPER; THE LAST WITNESS and TASTE OF EVIL which I'll post when more time. The latter had a powerful ending.
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« Reply #26 on Aug 29, 2010, 9:53am » | |
OOTU threads merged again! Can you keep queries on this series to this one thread for ease of access. It saves wasting a lot of my time merging them afterwards, Felix! Thanks.
felixdembinski
I keep hearing about the stabbing clip (3s) from immortality inc and the straggling clip (33s) from the last witness. I have also heard that these were lost again after being screened at a convention in 1997 Is this true? Or are they still safe in the BBC archives. Also does the short clip of Ottilie falling down some stairs in The Random Quest still exist
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They all exist. The two cuts made by the Australian censors were not - as far as I'm aware - professionally transferred and returned to the BBC, but they're definitely still held by the Sydney office of the National Archives.
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felixdembinski
apparently the telesnaps of get off my cloud were published in an issue of celestial toyroom in 1988. Can anyone confirm this and if anyone has the issue can you tell me what number it was so i can try to track it down.
Richard Bignell
Celestial Toyroom didn't publish them, but another fanzine during the 1980s supposedly did, but I've never been able to find any actual proof of that.
felixdembinski
I have been told that someone saw them in celestial toyroom in 1988.
felixdembinski
If they were published in a fanzine then they probably still exist though, even through no one has track the fanzine down
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Richard Bignell
It certainly wasn't CT that published them. I was a member of the DWAS at that time, and still have all the CT's from that decade.
They certainly existed then, as Ian Levine saw them when he visited Alan Bromly. Whether they exist now is unknown though. Bromly's widow certainly didn't have them anymore when asked about them several years later, although she did find lots of other tele-snaps of her husband's work that she passed back over to the BBC.
felixdembinski
it is disapointing that all the telesnaps for season 3 existed right up intil the early 80s. Now we can only wonder as to what Beach head and Immortality inc looked like
Robert Manners
Mark Wards Book has some nice shots of it been recorded so you get some idear of the sets and what they would have looked like.
felixdembinski
Yes I have seen them. Beachhead must of looked beautiful.
Gary Critcher
......and there was me thinking this was a Rolling Stones thread. What is it, Dr.Who??
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no out of the unknown.
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« Reply #27 on Aug 29, 2010, 2:39pm » | |
Just to add to this - Collector Mick Hall c. 1992 said someone had seen a telesnap of the show. He said the Dalek 'had been dressed in a cloak' reputedly giving rise to theory it was used as a servant in one of 'Get of my cloud's dream sequences.
The plot is similar to 'This body is mine'; an experimental personality transfer takes place between an Irish Sports reporter and a science fiction writer. When the basic minded reporter finds himself in the wacky subconcious of the writer he wonders if it was wise to take on the job.
I don't have the link; but Mausoleum club had an extensive thread and I think PDF article on the show. This desribed a dream in which a Boy and his dad fight off an army of Daleks with a machine gun.
I recall when 'Forbidden Planet' was still at Denmark St reading a mag which had an appeal about the 'Get off my cloud' telesnap sample printed in something the year after or so. Seem to also recall thinking 'I remember reading that in the shop' and regretting not buying it. I believe there were one or two telesnaps and seem to think one was of one of the shows Characters on a plain white backdrop standing by a Dalek. I haven't seen any official show stills that show a Dalek.
The last thing of course is the hope of a print turning up. The Australian / New Zealand censor clips that were described on Mausoleum from 'The Naked Sun' substantiate series 3 as being sold on film.
So there would be a 16mm made. There was hope / rumours again Mick Hall said that a Collector had a print of that one as it featured Daleks. He told me this before the info on Dalek in cloak as I said I wasn't aware the episode featured Daleks but had RT info on it.
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« Reply #28 on Aug 29, 2010, 2:45pm » | |
Aug 23, 2010, 7:37pm, felixdembinski wrote:| thanks for the info john, do you know if the existing color episodes where never lost (such as the ambassadors of death ep1) or are they NTSC converestions like inferno (i hope you excuse my mainly using dr who as examples but it's information is very well documented on the internet |
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Apparently 'Wecome home' was a PAL copy of a PAL master for some reason. The master was sent to Dubai with 'The Chopper' and 'The Shattered eye' in 1976 to one of few companies buying in that format.
Why other missing entries from series 4 were not sold I don't know; but maybe 'Univited' was wiped quickly after its 1972 repeat with only a B+W film copy surviving. Maybe the company concerned only wanted to buy colour material.
No information either way has reached the BBC as to if the Station concerned kept them. Don't know who it was but I theorised if someone could get a video recorder out there and stay for a while they might still be showing the shows (!?)
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« Reply #29 on Aug 29, 2010, 2:50pm » | |
Aug 24, 2010, 10:49am, felixdembinski wrote:| seeing as people seem remember alot about the uninvited and the yellow pill, does anyone remember anything about other season 4 episodes? |
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Did you mean series 3 or 4? Unfortunately all I know about 3 is from my Radio Times research. There was a full colour article season preview with photos from 'Beach head'. The latter had a 35mm struck from the VT prior to tx as it was entered in the Trieste fantasy festival 68 / 69. No knowledge as to if the print was returned but it didn't win.
The story was a popular book I believe published by Tandem books. It involves a mission exploring an unknown planet in which the team are killed off I think by the planets inhabitants one by one. As the mission goes wrong Ed Bishops Character becomes mentally ill and loses control. I can't recall if he had his hair dyed as in UFO (haven't looked at the stills for a while).
There are comprehensive stills of the impressive team Robot design (tape machines in theor chests) and of weird aliens whose heads look like mollusc shells and appear to live in shells.
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