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Russell Gray
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« Reply #105 on May 13, 2006, 10:16am » | |
Hmmm...from the missing episodes page: "It is only the BBC studio footage that is lost".
But saay...wasn't the landing ALL done in a studio? 
And then there's the missing piece of footage when one of the astronauts accidentally kicks an empty bottle of coke...or the bit when a stray cat accidentally walks onto the set...
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« Reply #106 on Jun 4, 2006, 7:09pm » | |
Quote:All very melodramatic, some of these replies. No excuse for junking the moon landing? It isn't junked as you know, just the studio links. Perhaps these people prefer watching James Burke to Neil Armstrong? The actual handling of this is fairly dry, with Burke adding little to the feed because the astronauts spoke through most of it. The total effect is downplaying to the audience.
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I actually agree with much of what you say on this thread, and find many of the posts informed and informative. However I would add to the comments on the studio links, whether dry or not; the presentation was what the viewer saw at the time, in its historical context.
For the viewer at the time, also the presenters acted as the figure the audience identified with, echoing the same excitement and tension on screen we felt ourselves, but on screen. I also recall they used to use modified model kits of the craft that fascinated me as a kid. This provided some background information, with the presenters describing functions of individual vehicles parts.
I would probably feel the same way seeing the 'dry' insert NASA footage as I do when news films of war reports are shown where a news bulletin wasn't recorded off air. At the time following the location reporters in film dialogue; live narratives describing events were dubbed over with the newsreader filling in on information. When the inserts are run dry, there are long gaps in which all that can be heard are soldiers cries and gun fire. The result may be poetic, but is strangely characterless and not true to the way it was seen originally. It has a different 'feel' as when a T/R of an original VT show is played.
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There obviously was, but I suppose the role of the archivist or archive student is to be objective and sit back academically and overview old T.V. as a subject; then assess it later. Sometimes rubbish can be so bad it's great though!
Having said all this, though I found Andy Dohertys info on the accidental wipings very enlightening. Certainly with the forthcoming nature of correspondants like Andy and Andrew Martin we're no longer left sitting in the dark on some of these points. Since, I also have learned that the BBC archive is much better than I previously thought.
I also thank Paul for his conscientious application to researching the rare material to augment the library holdings on Apollo 11. It must be said, to be fair I can't imagine any of the ITV companies currently going to any such lengths. About the best we've got from ITV has been Chris Perrys work on ABC and Rediffusion and other staff in relation to Yorkshire; but I'm bitterly disappointed with some other companies like Thames, whoever the rights belong to now..
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« Reply #107 on Jun 13, 2006, 2:57pm » | |
Freemantle (I think); i've lost track! Sometimes you just wish Thames were able to go in under the Granada umbrella with most of the other ITV companies now, along with Southern, ABC and Rediffusion.
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« Reply #108 on Jun 13, 2006, 10:39pm » | |
Paul, do we know if the programme is going to be repeated? I managed to fill up my Sky+, it then deleted the programme before I could put it onto DVD!!
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« Reply #109 on Jul 23, 2006, 8:36pm » | |
Watched this again on Saturday - it's something I can never get tired of watching. Many thanks to Paul for his sterling effort in this reconstruction. And yes, I did let the BBC know!
Just a couple of questions: prior to the landing we saw a simulation of the LEM firing its rockets for landing using a VT'd model. In the top left of this sequence was a grey circle electronically overlaid which changed size, as if it was masking something out. Any idea what was happening there?
And of course, the obvious question: any more "Nights To Remember" in the pipeline? Here's a couple of suggestions:
"Apollo 13 - A Night To Remember" - I can recall seeing clips of messrs. Burke & Moore looking grim as they waited for the capsule to re-enter Earth's atmosphere, and I'd love to see more of this.
"Election 70 - A Night To Remember" - all right, I have seen this on BBC Parliament, but via its Freeview stream... 
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BOB
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« Reply #110 on Oct 27, 2008, 9:56am » | |
I have open reel soundtrack recordings I made of the lift off, landing, the first step and part of the moonwalk made live at the time at 7.5 ips. taken directly from the BBC broadcasts. These were not repeats but recordings I made using a direct connection through a phono plug so there is no background noise. A few years ago I transferred these recodings onto CD. I had forgotten how electrifying the landing was. No music. Just the sounds of the astronauts' voices interspersed with those of James Burke and Patrick Moore. The drama of the real event as it happened is amazing. If these recordings are of any use please let me know. I for one will be watching this programme when it is broadcast. I still have copies of this newspapers from the time.
To me this is the single greatest moment in the entire history of human achievement - the moment man actually landed and set foot on another planet (astral body). There will never be an event like this again (which is why I tried to record the key events onto tape). I only wish I'd been able to record the visuals as well.
Note:- I first began recording soundtracks from our TV around 1968. Amongst many recordings I have are:-
1) The Hobbit Radio 4
2) War of the Worlds (1969 Radio4)
3) Death of John Lennon (Radio and TV from the day)
4) Adam Adamant (part of Vintage Year for Scoundrels - my extract was release on the BBC Adamant DVD)
5) Several Dr Who Stories from War Games onwards
I did have Triton (1969) but somewhere along the line it appears to have disappeared.
There is a lot of other stuff but I'm not sure if these are of any import.
If any feels these recordings (soundtracks only) of any import to restoring the archives please let me know. When I moved house in 2001 I nearly junked the lot as I did with all my Video 2000 recordings from 1980. The video 2000 recordings included first time broadcasts of all Dr Who from Peter Davison's Era and the Faces of Doctor Who including coniuity announcements. All went to the local tip.
I digress so I'll finish.
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« Reply #111 on Dec 15, 2008, 11:00am » | |
Well done for at least preserving something John. One day some of your audio might get overdubbed into surviving footage.
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« Reply #113 on Mar 8, 2011, 10:30am » | |
Patrick Moore is still doing THE SKY AT NIGHT but what happened to the other guys who used to cover the space missions ? James Burke and Peter Fairley ? 
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« Reply #114 on Mar 8, 2011, 10:34am » | |
Mar 8, 2011, 10:30am, Philip Hindley wrote:| Patrick Moore is still doing THE SKY AT NIGHT but what happened to the other guys who used to cover the space missions ? James Burke and Peter Fairley ? |
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I believe James Burke resides in the USA and Peter Fairley retired as far as I know, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #117 on Mar 8, 2011, 1:04pm » | |
Mar 8, 2011, 10:34am, Andrew Doherty wrote:| I believe James Burke resides in the USA and Peter Fairley retired as far as I know, but I could be wrong. |
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James shares his time between the south of France and Barnes. I had lunch with him recently.
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« Reply #118 on Mar 8, 2011, 5:26pm » | |
Nice to know hes still around, we dont seem to get those sort of guys with their enthusiasm on tv anymore except for Mr Moore. Sign on astronauts room 'Gone to launch, back in 6 days!'
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